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[Northwestcoug]

The thing that shocked me the most was the KUTV news story on the Strenthening the Members Committee.

link?

[cougjunkie]

lol.
you're right..except for Good Morning America, the New York Times, the Daily Beast, and all the local TV stations, this has been pretty much ignored.
God probably just changed his mind.

GMA is a hard hitting media outlet. a few of the headlines posted yesterday:

"A watermelon you have to see to believe"

"meet the girl who looks like Elsa from Frozen"

"mom petitions Alaska government for daughters 'awesome' name change."

"call of duty player becomes victim of swatting prank"

It is only a big deal to the handful of disaffected members. They were already pissed off about one thing or another this just adds fuel to the fire. Had the church decided to ordain women and let gays marry in the temple they would find something else to bitch about.

If you dont like it, leave. Nobody is forcing you to stay.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

The thing that shocked me the most was the KUTV news story on the Strenthening the Members Committee.

seriously. I wonder what Holland thought of being caught in a bald-faced lie. and I'm not even talking about the silly "this is all local leaders" toss under the bus.

Are you referring to this?

http://kutv.com/news/top-stories/sto...id_11952.shtml

Because I don't see anything in this that seems new at all. Nor do I see a reference to Holland. Was there another news story?

[ERCougar]

GMA is a hard hitting media outlet. a few of the headlines posted yesterday:

"A watermelon you have to see to believe"

"meet the girl who looks like Elsa from Frozen"

"mom petitions Alaska government for daughters 'awesome' name change."

"call of duty player becomes victim of swatting prank"

It is only a big deal to the handful of disaffected members. They were already pissed off about one thing or another this just adds fuel to the fire. Had the church decided to ordain women and let gays marry in the temple they would find something else to bitch about.

If you dont like it, leave. Nobody is forcing you to stay.

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Right. God just changed his mind.

[cougjunkie]

Right. God just changed his mind.

your God and my God are clearly different. To each his own I guess.



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[ERCougar]

Are you referring to this?

http://kutv.com/news/top-stories/sto...id_11952.shtml

Because I don't see anything in this that seems new at all. Nor do I see a reference to Holland. Was there another news story?

I can't watch the link, but basically the church acknowledged the existence of the committee and its purpose. Not news, but it goes against Holland's insistence that its merely there to root out polygamists.

[ERCougar]

your God and my God are clearly different. To each his own I guess.



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lol. thank God.

[Pheidippides]

I can't watch the link, but basically the church acknowledged the existence of the committee and its purpose. Not news, but it goes against Holland's insistence that its merely there to root out polygamists.

I can't either but there was a story yesterday specifically asking how much the committee had to do with it. speculative piece, of course.

[cougjunkie]

lol. thank God.

you better hope he is more like the one you sometimes believe in. Otherwise you could be in some trouble after this life.



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[SeattleUte]

What’s her crime? he said, and they said, she is a Loller. That’s
one who says the God on the altar is a piece of bread. What, he
said, bread like the baker bakes? Let this child forward, they said.
Let him be instructed, it will do him good to see up close, so he
always goes to Mass after this and obeys his priest. They pushed
him to the front of the crowd. Come here, sweetheart, stand with
me, a woman said. She had a broad smile and wore a clean white
cap. You get a pardon for your sins just for watching it, she said.
Any that bring faggots to the burning, they get forty days’
release from Purgatory.
When the Loller was led out between the officers the people
jeered and shouted. He saw that she was a grandmother, perhaps
the oldest person he had ever seen. The officers were nearly
carrying her. She had no cap or veil. Her hair seemed to be torn
out of her head in patches. People behind him said, no doubt she
did that herself, in desperation at her sin. Behind the Loller came
two monks, parading like fat grey rats, crosses in their pink
paws. The woman in the clean cap squeezed his shoulder: like a
mother might do, if you had one. Look at her, she said, eighty
years old, and steeped in wickedness. A man said, not much fat
on her bones, it won’t take long unless the wind changes.
But what’s her sin? he said.
I told you. She says the saints are but wooden posts.
Like that post they’re chaining her to?
Aye, just like that.
The post will burn too.
They can get another next time, the woman said. She took her
hand from his shoulder. She balled her two hands into fists and
punched them in the air, and from the depth of her belly she let
loose a scream, a halloo, in a shrill voice like a demon. The press
of people took up the cry. They seethed and pushed forward for
a view, they catcalled and whistled and stamped their feet. At the
thought of the horrible thing he would see he felt hot and cold.
He twisted to look up into the face of the woman who was his
mother in this crowd. You watch, she said. With the gentlest
brush of her fingers she turned his face to the spectacle. Pay
attention now. The officers took chains and bound the old
person to the stake.
The stake was on top of a pile of stones, and some gentlemen
came, and priests, bishops perhaps, he did not know. They
called out to the Loller to put off her heresies. He was close
enough to see her lips moving but he could not hear what she
said. What if she changes her mind now, will they let her go?
Not they, the woman chuckled. Look, she is calling on Satan to
help her. The gentlemen withdrew. The officers banked up
wood and bales of straw around the Loller. The woman tapped
him on the shoulder; let’s hope it’s damp, eh? This is a good
view, last time I was at the back. The rain had stopped, the sun
broken through. When the executioner came with a torch, it was
pale in the sunshine, barely more than a slick movement, like the
movement of eels in a bag. The monks were chanting and
holding up a cross to the Loller, and it was only when they
skipped backwards, at the first billow of smoke, that the crowd
knew the fire was set.
They surged forward, roaring. Officers made a barrier with
staves and shouted in great deep voices, back, back, back, and the
crowd shrieked and fell back, and then came on again, roaring
and chanting, as if it were a game. Eddies of smoke spoiled their
view, and the crowd beat it aside, coughing. Smell her! they cried.
Smell the old sow! He had held his breath, not to breathe her in.
In the smoke the Loller was screaming. Now she calls on the
saints! they said. The woman bent down and said in his ear, do
you know that in the fire they bleed? Some people think they
just shrivel up, but I’ve seen it before and I know.
By the time the smoke cleared and they could see again, the
old woman was well ablaze. The crowd began cheering. They
had said it would not take long but it did take long, or so it
seemed to him, before the screaming stopped. Does nobody pray
for her, he said, and the woman said, what’s the point? Even after
there was nothing left to scream, the fire was stoked. The officers
trod around the margins, stamping out any wisps of straw that
flew off, kicking back anything bigger.
When the crowd drifted home, chattering, you could tell the
ones who’d been on the wrong side of the fire, because their faces
were grey with wood-ash. He wanted to go home but again he
thought of Walter, who had said that morning he was going to
kill him by inches. He watched the officers strike with their iron
bars at the human debris that was left. The chains retained the
remnants of flesh, sucking and clinging. Approaching the men,
he asked, how hot must the fire be, to burn bone? He expected
them to have knowledge in the matter. But they didn’t understand
his question. People who are not smiths think all fires are
the same. His father had taught him the colours of red: sunset
red, cherry red, the bright yellow-red with no name unless its
name is scarlet.
The Loller’s skull was left on the ground, the long bones of her
arms and legs. Her broken ribcage was not much bigger than a
dog’s. A man took an iron bar and thrust it through the hole
where the woman’s left eye had been. He scooped up the skull
and positioned it on the stones, so it was looking at him. Then he
hefted his bar and brought it down on the crown. Even before
the blow landed he knew it was false, skewed. Shattered bone,
like a star, flew away into the dirt, but the most part of the skull
was intact. Jesus, the man said. Here, lad, do you do you want a go? One
good swipe will stove her in.

--From Hillary Mantel's Wolf Hall

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

--From Hillary Mantel's Wolf Hall

I was really hoping your next quoted post would be Kendrick Lamar.

[Tex]

I wonder if the Church has created a file on all 300 or so members of Ordain Women. Is there any way to find out if there is a file on me? I would not be surprised if they pursue some sort of action on all OW members. (Some have already had their recommends removed.)

Maybe they have a SoonerCoug file and a "real me" file that have yet to be merged.

I have a file on you. It's bulging with "real" stories.

so we should just forget that something like common consent ever made an appearance in the canon. gotcha.

Common consent doesn't make the church a democracy.

The doctrine of the priesthood has been evolving since the church was founded and has continued to evolve.

You've been spending too much time on the Ordain Women site. Although there have been periodic changes in things like quorum responsibilities and age restrictions, the "doctrine of who can get the priesthood" has changed extremely rarely, not "always".

[Tex]

The most interesting thing is this thread is that Dehlin and Kelly apparently have nothing but innocent and totally objective motives in their honest search for the truth, while church leaders are shrinking the tent, persecuting independent thought, and racing to stamp out and hide the truth like a game of whack-a-mole. Heh.

I do confess to enjoying an occasional visit here, if nothing more than to remind myself that some see the church through this bizarre prism. I marvel that people make faith so hard for themselves.

[frank ryan]

The most interesting thing is this thread is that Dehlin and Kelly apparently have nothing but innocent and totally objective motives in their honest search for the truth, while church leaders are shrinking the tent, persecuting independent thought, and racing to stamp out and hide the truth like a game of whack-a-mole. Heh.

I do confess to enjoying an occasional visit here, if nothing more than to remind myself that some see the church through this bizarre prism. I marvel that people make faith so hard for themselves.

You can change your avatar now. That ship has sailed.

[All-American]

You can change your avatar now. That ship has sailed.

2016 is only two years away.