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you really haven't been in a while, have you? They cut out at least half of the stand-up-sit-down about four years ago.Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostThe temple is a terrible place to snooze. Lots of standing, sitting, participation.Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
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They did??!? Tell me more.Originally posted by pellegrino View Postyou really haven't been in a while, have you? They cut out at least half of the stand-up-sit-down about four years ago.That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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No thank you.Originally posted by eldiente View PostCome and see for yourselfThat which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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It's a terrible place to stay awake.Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostThe temple is a terrible place to snooze. Lots of standing, sitting, participation.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Grammar. Should be my wife and me.Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostWhen my little BIL went through the temple just prior to leaving on his mission, everyone in the family attended with him....parents, sibs, spouses, even some extended family. Anyhow, after the sesh my MIL came up to my wife and I and commented that she had learned so much during the session. I was intrigued and asked her to elaborate but she said that it was personal and she didn't want to reveal any of it. We never discussed it again.
I would submit that my MIL learns a lot of new things in the temple.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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basically whenever you make the covenants by giving signs you are no longer standing.Originally posted by SoonerCoug View PostThey did??!? Tell me more.Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
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I like that. Progress.Originally posted by pellegrino View Postbasically whenever you make the covenants by giving signs you are no longer standing.That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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I don't, it sucks.Originally posted by SoonerCoug View PostI like that. Progress.Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
pelagius
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Why?Originally posted by pellegrino View PostI don't, it sucks."...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Ha, my poor wife felt the same way as you the first time she went. She's never gone back (neither have I, but the temple itself doesn't bother me).Originally posted by SoonerCoug View PostEveryone likes to say how much they learn when they go to the temple.
I learned a lot the first time I went to the temple. A whole lot. More than I wanted to learn.
That said, I'm curious to hear whether people feel like they really learn something each time they attend the temple, what kinds of things they learn, and how they learn them (e.g., noticing something not noticed before or feeling inspired, etc.)
I'm sure some people will accuse me of mocking just because it's me, but I am honestly interested in hearing some perspectives on this. I don't recall learning much with repeat visits other than seeing the initial things that I had never imagined.
My learning in the temple over the years has had little, if anything to do with what it actually has to teach. I really don't think it has anything to teach. I look at it more like...art. Or poetry. I can learn from art and poetry...and scripture, like Isaiah, for that matter, whether or not the creator/author/artist of the work intended me to learn that. I actually got this idea from a talk I read on my mission. I think it was by Elder Eyring.
He said he didn't see the value in trying to figure out what Isaiah was saying. He cited the fact that Nephi tells us to liken the scriptures unto us as evidence that we should ignore what Isaiah really meant/historical perspective/current events in his time/etc and just let the words wash over us like water and try to glean something from them, like we would with poetry or music.
I thought that was beautiful and my companion and I decided to spend 30 minutes each morning reading just 5 verses from Isaiah over and over again and then sharing with each other what we thought the spirit wanted us to know--assuming it wasn't too personal to share, which sometimes it was. I found a lot more value from that method than all those historical studies of Isaiah's time and what-not. Eventually I tried that in the temple and experienced the same thing. I suggested my wife do that but no dice. She never wants to go back there (I don't really either but for different reasons).
I don't believe in the church anymore and all that but I still believe in this method of learning. Our own brains have a lot to teach us and we can use hard-to-understand things as tools that help us tap into that, if you will. For those of you who still visit the temple and maybe have a hard time staying awake, maybe you could try this. You might like it. Start by assuming the creators of the endowment didn't actually have anything they were trying to communicate. Or maybe they were, but it's too hard to decipher or that it really doesn't matter anyway, since the spirit is the greatest teacher. Play with the symbols in your mind like a rubix cube, but don't worry about solving it. Just pretend each and every square has a mystery that only you need to know--that nobody else can confirm or deny. Then you might be on to something, and you might stay awake.
Also gum. Chewing gum really used to help me.
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