The truth about tithing

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  • SoonerCoug
    Joycelyn Elders Supporter
    • Nov 2008
    • 4680

    #1

    The truth about tithing

    When I consider tithing, I think of three major issues.

    1) It makes sense to pay tithing if you're participating in the Church. After all, the Church needs money to function. Furthermore, people take pride in having nice church buildings, etc.

    2) Mormonism does something that few religions do: Mormonism demands payment of tithing in order to receive its highest blessings (temple). I think it is the demand for payment seems to run contrary to fundamental principles of Christianity / morality.

    3) Tithing takes a much greater toll on the poor than on the wealthy. For a family living on 30,000 dollars per year, 3 thousand dollars can be indispensable income. For a family earning 300,000 dollars per year, 30,000 dollars is loss of a luxury.

    Of course, it's more simple for the Church issue a flat tax. But simplicity doesn't make it morally right, especially to demand tithing in exchange for temple visits.

    I know the Church does things to fight poverty. But if you consider the 15 million members of the Church around the world, many of whom live in very poor countries, you should also consider how much the Church actually enhances the poverty of 3rd-world Mormons. While on my mission, I was financial secretary for the largest branch in the mission, and I was shocked by how the poorest members of the Church were giving away their money to the Church. Would they sometimes receive fast offerings? Sure. But not as much as the tithing they paid.

    This business of poor people giving their money away to the Church is viewed as a virtue. The Church builds extravagant buildings and shopping malls while they simultaneously teach people that they shouldn't be materialistic.
    I'm profoundly disturbed by this.
    That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

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  • Commando
    Explosivo
    • Feb 2009
    • 20748

    #2
    Interesting point of view. Very carnal.
    "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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    • Sizzle
      #ThisIsY
      • Nov 2008
      • 9004

      #3
      Wow I had never thought that 10% of a smaller number was a bigger sacrifice than 10% of a bigger number. That's some serious deep thinking.

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      • LiveCoug
        LA Ute loves me
        • Nov 2008
        • 18477

        #4
        It sure is nice of those poor russians to build me a mall in SLC!

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        • TripletDaddy
          sweet triple
          • Nov 2008
          • 58186

          #5
          Looks like soonercoug discovered the italics function
          Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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          • HuskyFreeNorthwest
            Time to camp
            • Nov 2008
            • 26082

            #6
            Originally posted by Sizzle View Post
            Wow I had never thought that 10% of a smaller number was a bigger sacrifice than 10% of a bigger number. That's some serious deep thinking.
            Jesus once compared it to a widow paying a mite, which is a very small amount of money, compared to wealthy paying large amounts.
            Get confident, stupid
            -landpoke

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            • SoonerCoug
              Joycelyn Elders Supporter
              • Nov 2008
              • 4680

              #7
              Think about it this way: The US government knows it is bad for poor people to tax them. Does the Church not know this? Why tax the poor?
              That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

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              • creekster
                It is NOT a monkey!
                • Nov 2008
                • 22661

                #8
                Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                Think about it this way: The US government knows it is bad for poor people to tax them. Does the Church not know this? Why tax the poor?
                Think about this response:

                Here's a solution for you: don't pay. As to your patronizing questions, you already know the answers for both sides. So rather than pretend to be Socratic why don't you just spew out your polemical screed and get it over with.
                PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                • SoonerCoug
                  Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 4680

                  #9
                  Originally posted by creekster View Post
                  Think about this response:

                  Here's a solution for you: don't pay. As to your patronizing questions, you already know the answers for both sides. So rather than pretend to be Socratic why don't you just spew out your polemical screed and get it over with.
                  How is that the solution for me? I'm not poor, and I don't participate in the Church. I want to understand why the Church demands the tithe in exchange for temple worship. I'm talking about the Mormon Church's poor tax. The poor tax that allows poor Guatemalans to attend the temple.
                  That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

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                  • Commando
                    Explosivo
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 20748

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                    How is that the solution for me? I'm not poor, and I don't participate in the Church. I want to understand why the Church demands the tithe in exchange for temple worship. I'm talking about the Mormon Church's poor tax. The poor tax that allows poor Guatemalans to attend the temple.
                    How many Guatemalans do you know that attend the temple?
                    "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                    • SoonerCoug
                      Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 4680

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LiveCoug View Post
                      It sure is nice of those poor russians to build me a mall in SLC!
                      This is about the effect on their lives. I'm talking about 85-year-old women who are tithing on their pension when they can't afford medicines or even have enough for food. Why demand a tithe from them?
                      That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

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                      • Uncle Ted
                        The Big 12 money shot.
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 28853

                        #12
                        I'll let Brother Jake explain it...

                        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                        • LiveCoug
                          LA Ute loves me
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 18477

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                          This is about the effect on their lives. I'm talking about 85-year-old women who are tithing on their pension when they can't afford medicines or even have enough for food. Why demand a tithe from them?
                          You know the answer, you just, obviously, don't agree with the answer. We get it.

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                          • HuskyFreeNorthwest
                            Time to camp
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 26082

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                            Think about it this way: The US government knows it is bad for poor people to tax them. Does the Church not know this? Why tax the poor?
                            You think religion should be more like the US government?
                            Get confident, stupid
                            -landpoke

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                            • SoonerCoug
                              Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 4680

                              #15
                              Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                              You think religion should be more like the US government?
                              Yes!

                              I thought this was a good video.

                              That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

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