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[Sullyute]

Yes, you teach your kids that. I'll teach mine to never ever take/send naked pictures to anyone.

I've mentioned this in other threads, but it is sometimes surprising how little young people understand the power of technology. Sometimes we assume they get it because they have grown up with it. But they don't understand that electronic communication can never be assumed to be private. Even though they participate in spreading viral messages and videos every day, some never make the connection that they could be the next viral sensation if they are not careful.

My wife is YW Pres and teaches her girls often that they should never write anything on Facebook or send any images that they wouldn't be comfortable with the whole world reading or seeing.

Anyway, the scuttlebutt at the time was that charges of trafficking child pornography were going to be levelled at some involved. As I heard, it was the boys that were going to be charged. The girls, who willingly "produced" said child porn were not going to be charged and were being viewed as victims. A weird but predictable double standard.

I think the behavior is scary and bad, but I wonder if charging an underage kid with trafficking child porn (when they are pictures willingly sent from friends to friends) is a bit heavy handed.

This just reminds me of the new Utah abstinence law. You can tell them to not have sex but that doesn't help them at all if they decided to do it. I agree that we should teach kids to not have sex or send illicitm pictures of themselves but we should also be realistic and teach them how to protect themselves if they decide to do it. But I also wondered how a parent could help undo a dumb mistake (ie. seeking legal action) once done?

I cannot remember if it was in this thread or another where people said how they protected their kids from this type of temptation, but I remeber someone saying that they require all their kids to put their cell phone in their parents room every night by 10pm, so they are not up late texting and tempting each other to do dumb things. Also telling your kids that you will be monitoring their text messages so that it discourages dumb pictures or bullying. I think these are some good ideas.

[Art Vandelay]

This just reminds me of the new Utah abstinence law. You can tell them to not have sex but that doesn't help them at all if they decided to do it. I agree that we should teach kids to not have sex or send illicitm pictures of themselves but we should also be realistic and teach them how to protect themselves if they decide to do it. But I also wondered how a parent could help undo a dumb mistake (ie. seeking legal action) once done?

I cannot remember if it was in this thread or another where people said how they protected their kids from this type of temptation, but I remeber someone saying that they require all their kids to put their cell phone in their parents room every night by 10pm, so they are not up late texting and tempting each other to do dumb things. Also telling your kids that you will be monitoring their text messages so that it discourages dumb pictures or bullying. I think these are some good ideas.

I don't remember sharing that on CUF, so I won't take credit. But that is one of our ironclad rules. Our 16YO daughter is a great kid and gives us almost zero problems, other than bossing her younger brothers around. However, she has lost her cell phone several times for forgetting to have it in our room by 9:30 weeknights, 10:00 weekends.

That might be a little too much helicopter parenting for some, but it works well (as far as I know) for us.

[creekster]

I don't remember sharing that on CUF, so I won't take credit. But that is one of our ironclad rules. Our 16YO daughter is a great kid and gives us almost zero problems, other than bossing her younger brothers around. However, she has lost her cell phone several times for forgetting to have it in our room by 9:30 weeknights, 10:00 weekends.

That might be a little too much helicopter parenting for some, but it works well (as far as I know) for us.

We have done the same thing for our two older kids and will do it when our youngest gets a phone (He is 14 and will robably get one next year).

[hostile]

We have done the same thing for our two older kids and will do it when our youngest gets a phone (He is 14 and will robably get one next year).

I like that idea. Our oldest is a few years away but I'm anxious and always looking for advice.

[Art Vandelay]

I like that idea. Our oldest is a few years away but I'm anxious and always looking for advice.

Our other rule is no deleting texts. Granted this is harder to enforce, but if my daughter turns in her phone and for some reason a whole nights worth of texts aren't showing up, she loses the phone for several days. With that said, she doesn't get in trouble for complaining about her parents to her friends via text or other typical teenage stuff. I tell her if it is too embarrassing for your parents too see, then you shouldn't be sending via electronic message anyways.

[creekster]

Our other rule is no deleting texts. Granted this is harder to enforce, but if my daughter turns in her phone and for some reason a whole nights worth of texts aren't showing up, she loses the phone for several days. With that said, she doesn't get in trouble for complaining about her parents to her friends via text or other typical teenage stuff. I tell her if it is too embarrassing for your parents too see, then you shouldn't be sending via electronic message anyways.

To be honest we did not (or at least have not; my third is a big challenge in many ways) go that far. We kept the phone primarily to keep them away from wasting time late at night. But I did nto review texts. I sort of feel like there is a certain amount of privacy they should enjoy as well. That said, I always reserved the right to do so and told them so.

[Art Vandelay]

To be honest we did not (or at least have not; my third is a big challenge in many ways) go that far. We kept the phone primarily to keep them away from wasting time late at night. But I did nto review texts. I sort of feel like there is a certain amount of privacy they should enjoy as well. That said, I always reserved the right to do so and told them so.

We check maybe once a month, if that. However, as you said it is more the right to do so. The only reason we started was my daughter was deleting them every night, which made us suspicious. However, after she quit deleting them it is mainly her and her bff talking about what boys they think are cute.

[Portland Ute]

To be honest we did not (or at least have not; my third is a big challenge in many ways) go that far. We kept the phone primarily to keep them away from wasting time late at night. But I did nto review texts. I sort of feel like there is a certain amount of privacy they should enjoy as well. That said, I always reserved the right to do so and told them so.

Granted, my kids are only 9, 6 and 2, but I really don't get this.

If I'm paying for the phone, the plan and they are living in my house, they shouldn't enjoy privacy other than when they are showering, dressing or taking a crap.

I am sure my view or opinion will change, but from where I stand on a ivory pedestal, it seems to me that they are minors and I am charged with their protection and am responsible for their well-being and their screw-ups. So long as that is the case, it seems fair that privacy is a 1 way street.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Granted, my kids are only 9, 6 and 2, but I really don't get this.

If I'm paying for the phone, the plan and they are living in my house, they shouldn't enjoy privacy other than when they are showering, dressing or taking a crap.

I am sure my view or opinion will change, but from where I stand on a ivory pedestal, it seems to me that they are minors and I am charged with their protection and am responsible for their well-being and their screw-ups. So long as that is the case, it seems fair that privacy is a 1 way street.

You need to find a balance somewhere. I think kids respond well when you extend some trust and respect. If they make a series of bad choices then you adjust that balance, but you need to try to maintain some boundaries. For example, I wouldn't read my kids' diaries or journal except for the most extreme circumstances.

Your best bet is try to generate a atmosphere where your kids are comfortable being open and honest with you because they know you won't overreact and that your love for them outweighs everything else. Then there is less need to snoop. Easier said than done, of course.

[RobinFinderson]

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[RobinFinderson]

How long would 5 ozs of blow last a normal person?

I was curious about this, knowing very little about 'blow,' so I did a little research...

Current prices for cocaine in Los Angeles range from $50-70/gram. An '8-Ball,' which is about 3.5 grams of cocaine, gets its name from being approximately 1/8th of an ounce, and would generally be considered a generous supply that would last two or three people one hard night of partying. It would cost in the neighborhood of $175-200.

So, 5 OUNCES of cocaine would cost about $7000 (apply the low end of the gram/$, assuming bulk discount).

For someone who just ordered $7000 worth of coke, I think wuap is being a little cheap with the quality of his hookers. And besides favoring cheap hookers and snickers bars (if I were the concierge, I'd throw those and the 'box of rubbers' in for free with the 5 oz. of blow), wuap also seems to have the tolerance of Tony Montana.

[UtahDan]

I was curious about this, knowing very little about 'blow,' so I did a little research...

Current prices for cocaine in Los Angeles range from $50-70/gram. An '8-Ball,' which is about 3.5 grams of cocaine, gets its name from being approximately 1/8th of an ounce, and would generally be considered a generous supply that would last two or three people one hard night of partying. It would cost in the neighborhood of $175-200.

So, 5 OUNCES of cocaine would cost about $7000 (apply the low end of the gram/$, assuming bulk discount).

For someone who just ordered $7000 worth of coke, I think wuap is being a little cheap with the quality of his hookers. And besides favoring cheap hookers and snickers bars (if I were the concierge, I'd throw those and the 'box of rubbers' in for free with the 5 oz. of blow), wuap also seems to have the tolerance of Tony Montana.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I was curious about this, knowing very little about 'blow,' so I did a little research...

Current prices for cocaine in Los Angeles range from $50-70/gram. An '8-Ball,' which is about 3.5 grams of cocaine, gets its name from being approximately 1/8th of an ounce, and would generally be considered a generous supply that would last two or three people one hard night of partying. It would cost in the neighborhood of $175-200.

So, 5 OUNCES of cocaine would cost about $7000 (apply the low end of the gram/$, assuming bulk discount).

For someone who just ordered $7000 worth of coke, I think wuap is being a little cheap with the quality of his hookers. And besides favoring cheap hookers and snickers bars (if I were the concierge, I'd throw those and the 'box of rubbers' in for free with the 5 oz. of blow), wuap also seems to have the tolerance of Tony Montana.

lol.

Finderson FTW.

[creekster]

Granted, my kids are only 9, 6 and 2, but I really don't get this.

If I'm paying for the phone, the plan and they are living in my house, they shouldn't enjoy privacy other than when they are showering, dressing or taking a crap.

I am sure my view or opinion will change, but from where I stand on a ivory pedestal, it seems to me that they are minors and I am charged with their protection and am responsible for their well-being and their screw-ups. So long as that is the case, it seems fair that privacy is a 1 way street.

Sure, but you also have an obligation to help them become separate thinking persons who can control themselves and live on their own. As they move through the teen years this is a very difficult balancing act. In my mind they need to have their own space to some degree. It does no good to teach correct principles if the kid never has a chance to choose those principles, as opposed to being forced to adopt them.

That said, I also think that the right to privacy is conditional and very weak and can be lost for a variety of reasons based on behavior or perceived risk (my perception, not theirs).

I wish I could say I knew exactly what I am talking about, but I don't. every kid, parent and family is different. YMMV.

[Viking]

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I have nothing against pornography as long as everyone is 18 or older and as long as everyone is consensual.

However, I see little purpose for it in any developed society. Unless you can't get laid.