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[Uncle Ted]

I think the definition of addiction might be this. If you were to have to go on a trip to a remote area of China for a month, what would you miss on your computer?

If Facebook comes to mind and you would be willing to do just about anything to get to it then maybe you are addicted. As for porn, I am sure there are some people who would walk several miles to the nearest Chinese town and risk trouble for accessing porn in a little internet cafe. That would be a sign of addiction. A person surfing some porn when they are bored or want some amusement is not addicted.

There was a missionary that would sneak out of the MTC and onto the BYU campus and into one of the computer labs to get his fix. He was caught viewing porn in the lab but the big surprise came when it was discovered he was a missionary. Maybe he was going to a remote area of China or something and needed to "fill his canteen".

[edward777]

I guess nowadays he could have used his i-phone without anyone knowing.

[Northwestcoug]

This video ought to scare all of you who think a single viewing of punography isn't addictive.

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[Portland Ute]

This video ought to scare all of you who think a single viewing of punography isn't addictive.

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1) Interestingly (or not), that scene of the guy walking on the sidewalk in front of the theater was Main Street in Kaysville, Utah, and the theater was Davis County's Finest.

2) The guy walked right past the store front which is home to the most controversial lingerie shop in Utah and possibly the United States. Pretty You Boutique surely was his destination as he walked from the theater.

3) The signs of the guy being a miscreant were clear BEFORE he delved into porn. He has long hair and wears colored shirts with his ties. The signs were there. It was just a matter of time.

(The embattled lingerie store used to be a pizza place. My father once participated in a "photo shoot" there for the Ensign about parenting.)

[Northwestcoug]

1) Interestingly (or not), that scene of the guy walking on the sidewalk in front of the theater was Main Street in Kaysville, Utah, and the theater was Davis County's Finest.

2) The guy walked right past the store front which is home to the most controversial lingerie shop in Utah and possibly the United States. Pretty You Boutique surely was his destination as he walked from the theater.

3) The signs of the guy being a miscreant were clear BEFORE he delved into porn. He has long hair and wears colored shirts with his ties. The signs were there. It was just a matter of time.

(The embattled lingerie store used to be a pizza place. My father once participated in a "photo shoot" there for the Ensign about parenting.)

Sounds like you are too familiar with that boutique. Do YOU have a problem with punography?

I missed the colored shirt. But you could tell he lost all spirituality in the end; the facial hair doesn't lie.

[marsupial]

Sounds like you are too familiar with that boutique. Do YOU have a problem with punography?

I missed the colored shirt. But you could tell he lost all spirituality in the end; the facial hair doesn't lie.

Sounds like more of a panty fetish to me.

[LA Ute]

This video ought to scare all of you who think a single viewing of punography isn't addictive.

Do you think the video says that it is?

[UtahDan]

This video ought to scare all of you who think a single viewing of punography isn't addictive.

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So the natural and normal consequence of a man looking at porn is that he treats his wife and children badly, his family is "shattered" and he ends up moving out of the house. At least no one is sending the message that porn use should be viewed as something that can or should be the end of a marriage.

[LA Ute]

So the natural and normal consequence of a man looking at porn is that he treats his wife and children badly, his family is "shattered" and he ends up moving out of the house. At least no one is sending the message that porn use should be viewed as something that can or should be the end of a marriage.

It seemed to me that this was a "Bathsheba" message, i.e., turn away from temptation which, if yielded to, will produce negative consequences, perhaps disastrous ones. The split screen shows two alternative responses: In one, he turns away from the porn; in the other, he indulges in it. The rest of the video shows some possible consequences of getting hung up on porn. Elder Holland's message is that we should not "give place to the enemy of [our souls]." The guy's departure from his family was a bit overdone, IMO, but that's about the production, not the main message, which is to avoid porn because it can have very negative consequences. I don't see much new here.

[UtahDan]

It seemed to me that this was a "Bathsheba" message, i.e., turn away from temptation which, if yielded to, will produce negative consequences, perhaps disastrous ones. The split screen shows two alternative responses: In one, he turns away from the porn; in the other, he indulges in it. The rest of the video shows some possible consequences of getting hung up on porn. Elder Holland's message is that we should not "give place to the enemy of [our souls]." The guy's departure from his family was a bit overdone, IMO, but that's about the production, not the main message, which is to avoid porn because it can have very negative consequences. I don't see much new here.

The quote was fine, though I think "shattered" was maybe a little over the top. But the imagery, IMO, encourages the view that it is normal to see looking at porn as the very worst of things, the kind of thing that can break a family up. While I agree that a person who is truly addicted to porn can easily ruin their family and everything else in their life (as with most addictions), for the other 99.99% of active Mormon guys who are viewing it occasionally and get caught the real risk that the family gets broken up lies with their wife thinking that a deal breaking act has been committed. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I'm not saying that the church or women should just get over it and accept porn. Though, IMO, a better way to combat its use is to get people to think about what it does to its participants rather than reinforce a culture that makes the men who look at it (and most men at some point do) dark hearted villains.

[Viking]

I'd like to understand more fully why men who are married feel the need for pornography and have an honest discussion about how women can do a better job of keeping their husband's attention.

[Northwestcoug]

Do you think the video says that it is?

Not explicitly. But as UD says, when the breakup of a family is juxtaposed with watching porn in a 3 minute video, it's pretty much implied.

I would love to see statistics about how many broken marriages cite porn addiction as a primary cause, both in and out of the church. Also, what members and non-members define as "porn addiction".

[ERCougar]

I truly wonder if a marriage is ever broken up over 'porn use'. It just seems to me that there must always be some other issue that's truly responsible, be it infidelity or neglect or lack of communication or lack of intimacy or whatever. Maybe porn contributed, but I just can't believe anyone with an otherwise happy marriage would suddenly break that up because the wife discovered that the husband had looked at porn.

I know already--someone is going to know someone who did, and I can't really dispute that other than to say that I doubt the all details of the marriage are known. Porn may be the catalyst or the excuse, but it's not the reason.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I truly wonder if a marriage is ever broken up over 'porn use'. It just seems to me that there must always be some other issue that's truly responsible, be it infidelity or neglect or lack of communication or lack of intimacy or whatever. Maybe porn contributed, but I just can't believe anyone with an otherwise happy marriage would suddenly break that up because the wife discovered that the husband had looked at porn.

I know already--someone is going to know someone who did, and I can't really dispute that other than to say that I doubt the all details of the marriage are known. Porn may be the catalyst or the excuse, but it's not the reason.

I agree, but I think recidivist porn viewing is the problem. While an otherwise strong marriage wouldn't be broken up by such the initial discovery. I think the problem would arise from what might happen after. Presumably the woman, who feels inadequate or threatened by her husband's viewing of the gorgeous, well-endowed nymphets, would ask her husband to stop watching. Most husbands, in the interest of restoring harmony and healing hurt feelings, will say they won't look at it again, but eventually some resume. When the broken promise becomes apparent, the wife assumes (correctly, I think) that the husband regards viewing porn as more important to him than his wife's comfort and security. The wife's assumptions may be inaccurate or her demand may be unreasonable, but her reaction is understandable.

[UtahDan]

I truly wonder if a marriage is ever broken up over 'porn use'. It just seems to me that there must always be some other issue that's truly responsible, be it infidelity or neglect or lack of communication or lack of intimacy or whatever. Maybe porn contributed, but I just can't believe anyone with an otherwise happy marriage would suddenly break that up because the wife discovered that the husband had looked at porn.

I know already--someone is going to know someone who did, and I can't really dispute that other than to say that I doubt the all details of the marriage are known. Porn may be the catalyst or the excuse, but it's not the reason.

I may have said this elsewhere here (can't recall) but a divorce attorney I know who lives in AZ and has a ton of LDS clientele says that there is never one cause for divorce but that things are interconnected. In the case of porn a woman may feel betrayed, which leads to a lack of intimacy which leads to more hurt feelings which leads to less communication, more feelings of betrayal,etc. What caused what? They all feed in. He says that porn is less of an issue in Mormon divorces than people think but that it is an accusation that gets tossed around a lot in custody hearings when the woman is trying to prove the man is unfit.