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  • #16
    Yawn. No crazy bishop or Russian stories. Sooner is running out of material.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
      Growing up in the U.C., I often heard people mention how important it was to "stand up for your beliefs."

      The whole concept of standing up for your beliefs (the way Mormons use the phrase) is ridiculous. Just because you believe something doesn't mean that your beliefs are good or worth standing up for, even if you or your neighbors think certain beliefs seem good. Furthermore, beliefs based on fact generally don't require such an aggressive defense unless the audience is incapable of rational thought.

      Free speech with dispassionate dialogue about facts while simultaneously questioning unsupported beliefs--now that's an approach I could buy. I would totally go to church if this is how Mormonism operated. I'm not saying that Mormon beliefs are all bad. I'm just saying that some are probably good, some are bad, and others are neutral--but most Mormon beliefs are unsupported by evidence. (I'd also like to point out that feelings do not qualify as evidence.)

      I question the entire premise that it is good to believe in things, which are not seen, that are supposedly true based on a feeling in your heart. I thought Alma was awesome when I was in 2nd grade, but now I realize that Alma was so so wrong. Feelings are a very scary reason to believe in something.

      The risk of my approach is that all the mythology would crumble. I say that's OK.

      Lastly, lest I be accused of standing up for my beliefs, I'd say preemptively that I'm not standing up for beliefs. I'm standing up for fact-based, rational thought.
      I always find your posts to be funny. I get your humor.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
        Maybe it has something to do with the fact that my parents took me to nursery, primary, gave me the power of God on earth (priesthood), enrolled me in seminary, and sent me to siberia for two years and also to the Mormon University, which I love more than any other university even though it is an insane asylum.
        You're not nearly as good at this as SU. SJBH.
        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
          11 posts in a thread before Sooner got to masturbation, he's weakening.
          I'm pretty sure he masturbated before this thread got to post #11
          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Moliere View Post
            I'm pretty sure he masturbated before this thread got to post #11
            Sooner masturbating is a given.
            "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

            Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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            • #21
              As if you guys don't do it. Hypocrites. At least I don't give my money to an anti-gay, still sort-of-racist, misogynistic organization anymore.

              My only wish for my critics is that they tell their bishops about the porn they watch even if it's just occasional and well rationalized.
              That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

              http://twitter.com/SoonerCoug

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              • #22
                Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                As if you guys don't do it. Hypocrites. At least I don't give my money to an anti-gay, still sort-of-racist, misogynistic organization anymore.

                My only wish for my critics is that they tell their bishops about the porn they watch even if it's just occasional and well rationalized.
                Grace was right, you are no SU.
                Get confident, stupid
                -landpoke

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                  Grace was right, you are no SU.
                  Sooner still in his SL Trib online comment phase. Such a pity.
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                    Grace was right, you are no SU.
                    Yeah, that was a pretty lame impersonation of an SU post. The bishop and mission stories were his thing, but it looks like that well has dried up.
                    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                      Sooner still in his SL Trib online comment phase. Such a pity.

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                      • #26
                        If the BOM is a made up false narrative, how did it prophesy so well about Sooner & SU jeering and provoking the followers of Christ from the grandstands of the great and spacious building?

                        #devilsupportersjumptolifeandfoamatthemouthinvain
                        Last edited by clackamascoug; 03-11-2014, 01:17 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                          Yeah, that was a pretty lame impersonation of an SU post. The bishop and mission stories were his thing, but it looks like that well has dried up.
                          Keep urging him on - I'm sure he'll fabricate recall some stories.
                          I'm like LeBron James.
                          -mpfunk

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sizzle View Post
                            Yawn. No crazy bishop or Russian stories. Sooner is running out of material.
                            I will back sooner up on his russian stories, but because I have no rational evidence of the bishop stories, I will not believe.

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