Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[byu71]

Ah... So you were talking about the Dust Bowl.

Feel free to amend your response and clarify. Don't be such a big baby.

The Dust Bowl was not the "worst" man made disaster.

I did not say that first that in order to save a species, the future results had to be "worse" than the "dust bowl".

Lastly, LOL on the "don't be such a baby". Excellent. I thought only women used that phrase. I am happy I know I can now use it. It is so much more kind and gentle than "you are a dumb ass".

[dabrockster]

I am having an internal debate. Do I post Harry Reid's (The Terrible) comment here or in the dedicated thread for him.. What to do.. What to do...


OK. Here:

http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/st...14I5GhESg.cspx

Oh, and the fact the newly appointed Secretary of the BLM is a former senior aide for Reid, and the fact he wants tot use the land to build his Solar farms.. You Harry Reid are a shifty/shady politician..

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said little as federal agents seized and then released cattle last week from the Bundy ranch, but there is little doubt that the highly charged episode was threatening to become a political headache for the Nevada Democrat.
The Bureau of Land Management is headed by former longtime Reid aide Neil Kornze, who was confirmed by the Senate as BLM director on Tuesday, just as federal authorities descended on the cattle ranch outside Mesquite, Nev.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ve-dirt-on-ha/

[Jeff Lebowski]

The Dust Bowl was not the "worst" man made disaster.

http://environment.about.com/od/envi...f/dustbowl.htm

Question: What was the worst environmental disaster in the United States?

Answer: If you guessed the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill, the 2008 coal ash spill in Tennessee or the Love Canal toxic dump disaster that came to light in the 1970s, you're decades too late in every case. Scientists and historians generally agree that the Dust Bowl—created by the drought, erosion and dust storms, or "black blizzards," of the so-called Dirty Thirties—was the worst and most prolonged environmental disaster in American history.

To your second point:

I did not say that first that in order to save a species, the future results had to be "worse" than the "dust bowl".

Either way, I asked you under what circumstances you would step in to save a species and you gave this example (which had nothing to do with losing a species, btw). If you want to amend your response or further clarify, go right ahead.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Are you nancies arguing about how bad the Dust Bowl was?

Can we change the title of this thread to "Swollen Prostate?"

[Jeff Lebowski]

Are you nancies arguing about how bad the Dust Bowl was?

Can we change the title of this thread to "Swollen Prostate?"

We are debating the ESA, which is a core part of the Bundy conflict. Try to keep up.

[All-American]

We are debating the ESA, which is a core part of the Bundy conflict. Try to keep up.

What does the delta center have to do with cattle ranges?

[cowboy]

A serious question for Dwight: Does anyone know if or how cattle have affected the desert tortoise? This is the core problem with the ESA: once a species is listed, all activity in the species' habitat screeches to a halt, whether the activities harm the species or not. The desert tortoise seems to fare just fine in Camp Pendleton, where marines are blowing stuff up right and left, but a few cows apparently spell disaster for them.

[byu71]

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http://environment.about.com/od/envi...f/dustbowl.htm[/
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I don't wish to amend anything. I am more than happy to have this pleasant exchange, but you and I would never come to an agreement. I don't have a need for you to amend anything. There is no burning need for me to be right.

Even if "generally" scientists and historians agree, generally still is an opinion not a fact. I googled worst disasters and found articles not listing the "dust bowl" as the greatest. Go get on those articles web sites and argue with them.

You express your opinion and I will express mine. When my opinion can be refuted by "facts" not your opinion or generally accepted "scientists" and "historians", I will be happy to declare you the winner.

Now perhaps you would be so kind as to tell me what great damage, it doesn't even have to be great, letting the extinction occur will do.

Lastly, we have trouble agreeing on somethings because you are a detail guy and I look at a big picture. Both of us I think are needed in the world.

When a great idea comes along, others are needed to figure out how to make the idea work.

[Uncle Ted]

A serious question for Dwight: Does anyone know if or how cattle have affected the desert tortoise? This is the core problem with the ESA: once a species is listed, all activity in the species' habitat screeches to a halt, whether the activities harm the species or not. The desert tortoise seems to fare just fine in Camp Pendleton, where marines are blowing stuff up right and left, but a few cows apparently spell disaster for them.

I was wondering the same thing and why they haven't shut down Area 51 to save the little turtle. It seems this has more to do with Reid's solar farming plans...

Perhaps it is pure coincidence that the hordes of heavily armed agents of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), are now pulling back and out from their entrenchment encircling Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s family ranch, North of Las Vegas. It’s doubtful. Many suspect that it has everything to do with a new round of intense scrutiny of Reid’s use of influence to reward family members and campaign donors in lucrative development deals across the state.


A detailed report of Reid’s efforts to promote a Chinese takeover of 9,000 acres in Clark County for the purposes of building a solar energy farm and manufacturing plant was released by Reuters’ Marcus Stern, Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist. Stern revealed:


The Langfang, China-based ENN Energy Group hopes to build what would be the largest solar energy complex in America. The site chosen with Rory Reid’s guidance is in tiny Laughlin, Nevada, a gambling town of 7,300 along the Colorado River, 90 miles south of Las Vegas. ENN is headed by Chinese energy tycoon Wang Yusuo, who made a fortune estimated by Forbes at $2.2 billion distributing natural gas in China. Wang escorted Reid and a delegation of nine other U.S. senators on a tour of the company’s clean energy operations in Langfang, and Reid featured Wang as a speaker at his 4th annual National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas last year

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada. And journalist Marcus Stern with Reuters also reported that Sen. Reid was heavily involved in the deal as well.


“[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”

Read more at http://www.commdiginews.com/politics...UXgmPMq8KGL.99


But maybe with the extra energy collected from the sun they can power lots of little turtle egg incubators.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I don't wish to amend anything. I am more than happy to have this pleasant exchange, but you and I would never come to an agreement. I don't have a need for you to amend anything. There is no burning need for me to be right.

Even if "generally" scientists and historians agree, generally still is an opinion not a fact. I googled worst disasters and found articles not listing the "dust bowl" as the greatest. Go get on those articles web sites and argue with them.

You express your opinion and I will express mine. When my opinion can be refuted by "facts" not your opinion or generally accepted "scientists" and "historians", I will be happy to declare you the winner.

lol.

OK. Keep pretending it makes a difference in your argument whether it is #1 or #4.

Now perhaps you would be so kind as to tell me what great damage, it doesn't even have to be great, letting the extinction occur will do.

Depends on the species. Millions of species have gone extinct over geologic time. But extinctions have risen exponentially in the last 100 years or so. Most people believe that there is something morally or ethically wrong with wiping out species at such an accelerated rate. Unlike most environmental issues, this one can't be repaired. Once a species is gone, it is gone forever (with apologies to Michael Crichton).

[Uncle Ted]

Depends on the species. Millions of species have gone extinct over geologic time. But extinctions have risen exponentially in the last 100 years or so. Most people believe that there is something morally or ethically wrong with wiping out species at such an accelerated rate. Unlike most environmental issues, this one can't be repaired. Once a species is gone, it is gone forever (with apologies to Michael Crichton).

[byu71]

lol.

OK. Keep pretending it makes a difference in your argument whether it is #1 or #4.



Depends on the species. Millions of species have gone extinct over geologic time. But extinctions have risen exponentially in the last 100 years or so. Most people believe that there is something morally or ethically wrong with wiping out species at such an accelerated rate. Unlike most environmental issues, this one can't be repaired. Once a species is gone, it is gone forever (with apologies to Michael Crichton).

Oh, another one of your moral or ethical high ground issues. What a guy. Sticking up for the deseret whatever and the 10% of women in the church that want the Priesthood.

And now I will take a moment and weap for those species that are gone. The Dinosaur could have used you and your friends. Think of the fun we could have had visiting them in the zoo and I think they could have done a lot to keep the earths human population down, thus helping to prevent global warming.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Oh, another one of your moral or ethical high ground issues. What a guy. Sticking up for the deseret whatever and the 10% of women in the church that want the Priesthood.

And now I will take a moment and weap for those species that are gone. The Dinosaur could have used you and your friends. Think of the fun we could have had visiting them in the zoo and I think they could have done a lot to keep the earths human population down, thus helping to prevent global warming.

Yeah, silly me. Happy that we didn't wipe out the buffalo. What a nut!

[byu71]

Yeah, silly me. Happy that we didn't wipe out the buffalo. What a nut!

Come on now, don't act like a baby.

[venkman]

A serious question for Dwight: Does anyone know if or how cattle have affected the desert tortoise? This is the core problem with the ESA: once a species is listed, all activity in the species' habitat screeches to a halt, whether the activities harm the species or not. The desert tortoise seems to fare just fine in Camp Pendleton, where marines are blowing stuff up right and left, but a few cows apparently spell disaster for them.

That's why I believe the ESA is a tool to discourage/ban activites enviros/lefties don't like. I watched Cliven Bundy on Hannity last night (and he seemed a little extreme..referring to the United States government as a "foreign power"), but he's adamant the ESA is the main driver for the reason there were 53 cattle ranches in Clark County 20 years ago to 1 (his) now.