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  • Jeff Lebowski
    Corporate lackey for Jesus
    • Nov 2008
    • 69563

    #1

    The Not Even Once Club

    New children's book by Wendy Watt Nelson drawing fire:

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    "The Not Even Once Club," written by Wendy Watson Nelson, wife of LDS apostle Russell M. Nelson, tells the story of Tyler, a new kid in town, who wants to join the club the other Mormon kids at church have. They tell him he can come into the treehouse if he knows the password, which is "Not. Even. Once." He is offered candy, games, puzzles, popcorn and pretzels as long as he pledges never to "break the Word of Wisdom [LDS prohibitions on alcohol, tobacco, tea and coffee], lie, cheat, steal, do drugs, bully, dress immodestly, or break the law of chastity ... intentionally look at anything pornographic on TV, the Internet, a cellphone, billboards, magazines, or movies."

    Critics complain that the book promotes a kind of Mormon elitism and endorses giving candy as a reward for righteous living — and withholding it and group membership for children who make a mistake. It equates drinking coffee with more serious problems such as sexual sin, they say, and encourages perfectionism that undermines belief in Christ’s atoning sacrifice.
    The problem with Sister Nelson’s book is that it is evil. Satan wanted to shepherd everyone to heaven by coercing us to perform correct actions, regardless of our intentions. Version 2.0 of Satan’s plan replaces hard coercion with soft coercion: a lonely Tyler agrees to obey the commandments so he can be accepted into a group, and the other kids get “jars of pretzels and popcorn and candy” from Sister Croft “as long as we keep the promise.”


    I like this intro:

    One of Jesus’ most transformative insights is that spirituality is an inside job. At a time when righteousness was equated with exact observance of rules, Jesus taught that God is concerned not so much with our actions as with the motivations behind them. There are only two commandments, and they are both love.

    What, then, is the role of works? Paul teaches that loving intentions [footnote: I mean here true intentions, not the kind of weak intentions that are little more than a wish] will naturally result in good works. But it is dangerous to focus on works at the expense of love, because even the greatest works are spiritually meaningless without love. 1 Cor. 13:1-3.

    This is wonderful theology but an administrative nightmare, because love is difficult to measure. A system that finds it necessary to assess the spiritual worthiness of individuals will almost inevitably fall back on works because they are concrete and measurable. Either you have paid your tithing or you haven’t. Only God can know whether you paid your tithing out of love, so human administrators gradually lose interest in intentions altogether. Focusing only on correct actions, we find ourselves back with the Pharisees.

    This, of course, is the current state of the Mormon church. We give constant lip service to Christ’s atonement, but our highest aspiration is never to come within a hundred feet of it. If only we can prevent people from performing wrong actions, we think, they can return safely to heaven, untouched by the world and I would add, untouched by Christ’s grace.

    This clearly is the view of Wendy Watson Nelson, author of the new Deseret Book publication, The Not Even Once Club, “an adorable and appealing . . . story that will help [children] choose for themselves to keep the commandments and to never break them. Not even once.”
    Some very harsh reviews at Amazon.com

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Not-Even-O...even+once+club

    As an LDS clinical psychologist I strongly recomemnd you steer your children away from this book. This teaches children all the wrong messages from authority figures whose time would be better spent teaching them about unconditional love and forgiveness. I cannot stress enough how damaging this message about attainable perfection is. There are many developmentally healthy books out there that are appropriate for children. This is NOT one of them. Steer clear!
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  • Northwestcoug
    Cocked and Loaded
    • May 2011
    • 17952

    #2
    How many editorial levels did this book go through, and no one seemingly thought this is a harmful book?

    I guess it pays to be connected...

    There is a change.org petition to Deseret to have it removed.
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    • Donuthole
      Official Outgayer
      • Nov 2008
      • 25237

      #3
      Disappointing thread title. Here i thought oxcoug was starting another thread about himself.
      Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

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      • TripletDaddy
        sweet triple
        • Nov 2008
        • 58186

        #4
        Candy in exchange for a pledge to not break the word of wisdom??

        woot, there is some irony right there for you buddy!
        Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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        • SCcoug
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 7625

          #5
          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          New children's book by Wendy Watt Nelson drawing fire:

          Some very harsh reviews at Amazon.com

          http://www.amazon.com/The-Not-Even-O...even+once+club

          As an LDS clinical psychologist I strongly recomemnd you steer your children away from this book. This teaches children all the wrong messages from authority figures whose time would be better spent teaching them about unconditional love and forgiveness. I cannot stress enough how damaging this message about attainable perfection is. There are many developmentally healthy books out there that are appropriate for children. This is NOT one of them. Steer clear!
          If I remember correctly several years ago Elder Nelson tried to teach we don't believe in God's unconditional love.

          Edit: Here we go.

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          • TripletDaddy
            sweet triple
            • Nov 2008
            • 58186

            #6
            Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
            How many editorial levels did this book go through, and no one seemingly thought this is a harmful book?

            I guess it pays to be connected...

            There is a change.org petition to Deseret to have it removed.
            This is the "October surprise." Elder Nelson is going to trash his wife's book over the pulpit.
            Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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            • Coach McGuirk
              1
              • Nov 2008
              • 12109

              #7

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              • SandYFan
                Junior Member
                • May 2013
                • 754

                #8
                Oh, brother. Talk about a tempest in a teapot.

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                • Surfah
                  Where's Wallace?
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 33726

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
                  Oh, brother. Talk about a tempest in a teapot.
                  I kind of agree. I never would have even heard of this book otherwise. Seems like the commotion is only bringing more attention to it.
                  "Nobody listens to Turtle."
                  -Turtle
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                  • Pelado
                    Bald not naked
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 21106

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                    Disappointing thread title. Here i thought oxcoug was starting another thread about himself.
                    That's a low blow.
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                    • Solon
                      Lost in the flood
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 5747

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
                      Oh, brother. Talk about a tempest in a teapot.
                      Someone needs to write a sequel entitled, Well, Maybe Just Once.
                      "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
                      -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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                      • Jeff Lebowski
                        Corporate lackey for Jesus
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 69563

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SCcoug View Post
                        If I remember correctly several years ago Elder Nelson tried to teach we don't believe in God's unconditional love.

                        Edit: Here we go.

                        https://www.lds.org/ensign/2003/02/divine-love?lang=eng
                        I remember that. An interesting talk. He showed several scriptures that say that God only loves those who keep his commandments (see section The Conditional Nature of Love) but then referenced scriptures that contradict that idea (see section Divine Love and the Sinner). Not sure what to make of that talk.
                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                        • clackamascoug
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 9709

                          #13
                          This book is just putting another brick in the wall between Us and Them.

                          Mr Gorbachev, bring down this wall.

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                          • Clark Addison
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 10298

                            #14
                            I don't know, this doesn't seem nearly as bad as that communist screed "Rainbow Fish", but I don't see anyone making petitions about that one.

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                            • Solon
                              Lost in the flood
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 5747

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
                              I don't know, this doesn't seem nearly as bad as that communist screed "Rainbow Fish", but I don't see anyone making petitions about that one.
                              I'll sign it. I hate that stupid book.
                              "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
                              -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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