If a female tried to get into the priesthood session of GC...

[MartyFunkhouser]

why is it so hard to imagine that the reason women do not have the priesthood is not simply because the leaders are sexist and or havent asked if women can get the priesthood? and why is it a big deal to save tickets for those the meeting is intended for.

Because there has never been a definitive statement or a logical explanation for why things are organized this way. When we get tripe that it is this way because women are Mothers and men have the Priesthood or that women don't need it because they are inherently more charitable, it makes me skeptical that it is the right decision.

[byu71]

Because there has never been a definitive statement or a logical explanation for why things are organized this way. When we get tripe that it is this way because women are Mothers and men have the Priesthood or that women don't need it because they are inherently more charitable, it makes me skeptical that it is the right decision.

Seriously, why do you care? If the bulk of the women have no problem with it, is it really your duty to protect the psyche of the ones who feel slighted or "educate" the ones who don't have a problem.

You sound like SU trying to protect us all from the bad men in the church office building.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Seriously, why do you care? If the bulk of the women have no problem with it, is it really your duty to protect the psyche of the ones who feel slighted or "educate" the ones who don't have a problem.

You sound like SU trying to protect us all from the bad men in the church office building.

I care because there are serious gender inequity problems in the church. I became a supporter of Women's Ordination when I saw the way people reacted to it. I'm not sure there is any way that we can fix the gender problems without giving women the Priesthood.

I want the church to better and I believe this will make the church better.

[cougjunkie]

I care because there are serious gender inequity problems in the church. I became a supporter of Women's Ordination when I saw the way people reacted to it. I'm not sure there is any way that we can fix the gender problems without giving women the Priesthood.

I want the church to better and I believe this will make the church better.

You care because your wife cares. Leave it at that, you wouldn't give two shits if she didn't care. Supporting her is plenty noble, no need to add the other fluff.

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[MartyFunkhouser]

You care because your wife cares. Leave it at that, you wouldn't give two shits if she didn't care. Supporting her is plenty noble, no need to add the other fluff.

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You know before all this, I was in a support her but not necessarily agree with her position. I now agree with her.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Without calling me dumb, please seriously answer this question.

Her saying that she really wasn't into this, but now the church has done this they will have to battle her doesn't sound like someone who thinks her crap doesn't stink?

Now I, along with probably 90% of the members have never heard of her. Maybe it is just me though who hasn't. Is she really that powerful that the boys in the big offices are now wishing they hadn't ticked her off?

As I said originally though, I agree they should have let them have their little protest. It is like buying tons of insecticde because someone saw a gnat in the house.

Sorry. I decided quite a while ago that serious discussions with you are a waste of time.

[Nakoma]

D&C 26:2 "And all things shall be done by common consent in the church, by much prayer and faith, for all things you shall receive by faith. Amen."

If 90 percent of LDS women don't want the priesthood, does that constitute common consent for not ordaining women?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...role-of-women/

[The_Tick]

My wife doesn't want the Priesthood.

FYI.

[Goatnapper'96]

Sometimes the Cistern of the Church need to just pull the string!

[PaloAltoCougar]

'71, I'd bet Joanna Brooks is the most famous active LDS woman to the non-LDS population. Of course, asking Gentiles to identify a famous LDS woman is akin to asking the U.S. population to identify the most famous female Afghani politician. But Joanna's blogs and essays have been published repeatedly in national publications, she has appeared on Jon Stewart's show (and one can mock that, but it's the first source of news for young Americans, more's the pity), so she's a relatively prominent LDS woman. Plus, she's attractive and well-spoken; overall she's been a good face for the Church. Plus, I'm in the elite and highly exclusive circle of her Facebook friends.

[PaloAltoCougar]

John Dehlin just FB posted an essay that included the following text from a pamphlet:

BECAUSE 90% of the women either do not want it, or do not care.

BECAUSE it means competition of women with men instead of co-operation.

BECAUSE it can be of no benefit commensurate with the additional expense involved.

BECAUSE it is unwise to risk the good we already have for the evil which may occur.

But the pamphlet was from 100 years ago and it was published in opposition to women's suffrage.

[byu71]

'71, I'd bet Joanna Brooks is the most famous active LDS woman to the non-LDS population. Of course, asking Gentiles to identify a famous LDS woman is akin to asking the U.S. population to identify the most famous female Afghani politician. But Joanna's blogs and essays have been published repeatedly in national publications, she has appeared on Jon Stewart's show (and one can mock that, but it's the first source of news for young Americans, more's the pity), so she's a relatively prominent LDS woman. Plus, she's attractive and well-spoken; overall she's been a good face for the Church. Plus, I'm in the elite and highly exclusive circle of her Facebook friends.

OK, I am not current I guess. Threats bug me like someone threatening not to buy FB tickets.

[byu71]

Sorry. I decided quite a while ago that serious discussions with you are a waste of time.

I guess you are smarter than I have given you credit for.

[Solon]

Because there has never been a definitive statement or a logical explanation for why things are organized this way.

This is what I was thinking about.
From the letter:

Ordination of women to the priesthood is a matter of doctrine that is contrary to the Lord’s revealed organization for His church.

There really is no doctrinal argument to be made from scripture (if anything, there are OT & NT scriptural arguments to be made in favor of ordaining women).
The way I read it, the best rationale letters like this seem to offer is essentially, "We know that the Lord doesn't want women to have the priesthood because they don't have the priesthood." Seems like they're flirting with a claim to infallibility.

Women/girls can schedule meetings, sit on cushy podium-chairs, say prayers, and pass sacrament trays as well as men/boys.
It's just a matter of time, IMO.

Also, byu71 is dead to me for slamming women who teach college. :swear:

[DrumNFeather]

'71, I'd bet Joanna Brooks is the most famous active LDS woman to the non-LDS population. Of course, asking Gentiles to identify a famous LDS woman is akin to asking the U.S. population to identify the most famous female Afghani politician. But Joanna's blogs and essays have been published repeatedly in national publications, she has appeared on Jon Stewart's show (and one can mock that, but it's the first source of news for young Americans, more's the pity), so she's a relatively prominent LDS woman. Plus, she's attractive and well-spoken; overall she's been a good face for the Church. Plus, I'm in the elite and highly exclusive circle of her Facebook friends.

So, it's kind of like a well placed endorsement along the campaign trail.