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BYU and the U. of U. are merging.
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Won't ever work. We tried it here then you guys got all huffy and left.Originally posted by LA Ute View PostComment
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Pellegrino - That 's my guess as well. Missionaries will now do service instead of cold-contacting. My son's mission San Jose, CA has been one of two missions where it's been tested for about the last 18 months. Tracting is verboten and they are expected to do 15+ hours of "meaningful service" each week. The church runs a website that's basically a clearinghouse for service opportunities. They get stuff from local charities, schools, red cross, libraries, etc. My son and his comp do a couple afternoons of tutoring kids at the local library, plus a few other more random things each week.
The training will be about ward councils' renewed responsibility to find people for the missionaries to teach. Missionaries will now be part of weekly ward council meetings (not just WML).Comment
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Yea more people to put in their two cents while going overtime in a crowded room!Originally posted by statman View PostComment
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Looks like missions could be turned into PR service campaigns rather than hard corp conversion attempts. Conversions through building the brand? Hmmm.
Would you have gone on a mission if it was mainly just two guys getting out and helping people everyday. I'd have to look hard at that scenario when two years of schooling are in play. However if they lowered it to 1 year of service as a volunteer helper to charity, I think I could have gone for that.Comment
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Absolutely. And I'll be a lot less hesitant to send my son on a mission.Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
There are much healthier ways for a19 yr old boy to serve than telling older people how to live their lives.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
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We already do this and now the missionary portion takes up more than half the meeting. That's fine, but it makes the meeting even more boring.Originally posted by SCcoug View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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.Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
I would have much preferred a mission of forty+ hours a week in helping people rather than forty+ hours a week tracting. I baptized one woman in two years, and there were five others that I taught that were baptized, and I think I made a real difference in teaching three of them. But I'd bet that I had more weeks where I taught no discussions than weeks where I actually taught. My mission was not one of teaching and baptizing, but of a whole lot of mindless tracting where our biggest purpose seemed to be to stand as witnesses at the Judgement Seat telling people 'nope, you Had your chance and you closed the door in our face.'. It wasn't a fun mission.Comment
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What do they do with the other 55 hours of their time?Originally posted by statman View PostGive 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
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Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Maybe the church leaders cruise CS (CUF) and came across my post a couple years ago, and decided, "Wow, that guy's brilliant. What a great idea! Let's do it!" and they're going to announce that missions are moving to service-oriented missions.If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong.
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If the missionaries go to the early morning meetings, then as the WML I will not be attending.
Complete waste of my time.Comment
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Regarding it being the ward council's job to find people for the missionaries to teach....eff that. They can't come to my house for dinner without an investigator, they talk like zealots, and they have a mind single to the glory of the mission president. I don't trust the missionaries well enough to entrust them with teaching people I know."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --SolonComment
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Like Moliere, our ward does this as well. I sat through ward council this last Sunday and the missionary portion easily took up half the meeting. When getting into it, the WML told the Elders to cover the investigators and he'd cover the new members. The missionaries talked until there was nothing left to talk about. The WML just rolled his eyes.Originally posted by The_Tick View PostI told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.Comment
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In just about every ward council meeting I've been in, when the missionaries get to their report, no matter what ward I've been in, the pattern is the same...Originally posted by Moliere View Post
"So, we met Dave and taught him about the first vision"
"Did you get a last name?"
"No"
"How old is he?"
"Pretty old, i'd say early 40s..."
"Do you need an exchange?"
"Yes, we set up our next appointment for Tuesday at 11:00 AM""They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.Comment
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