Elizabeth Smart & Chewing Gum

[LA Ute]

I've never understood why we can't simply say that the Book of Mormon is sometimes wrong. Moroni himself clearly recognized that that was a possibility, as per the title page. Why not just say that the claim made in Moroni 9:9 might just be wrong? Why are we so quick to acknowledge that our current leaders may occasionally be uninspired (or at least struggle to express their inspiration adequately) yet deny that same right to ancient prophets? Is it the whole "I-told-the-Brethren-that-the-Book-of-Mormon-was-the-most-perfect..." quip? Why do we assume that "inspired" or "canonized" means "infallible" or "perfect"?

Very interesting questions that made me think. Clearly the BofM is not intended to be perfect, and I don't think it is. "Most correct" does not mean "perfect."

Just focusing on the Moroni 9:9 verse, I think Solon may be right, that Mormon's language reflects the sensibilities of his age regarding women and sexual purity, but it doesn't bother me because I've never seen that verse as being about that subject. (That's why I don't think it's the right scripture for teaching that value.)

Call me dogmatic, reverse Korihor, or Ute; that's my story and I am sticking to it.

[Tone Loc]

wherefore, when we write we behold our weakness, and stumble because of the placing of our words; and I fear lest the Gentiles shall mock at our words.

And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn;

[Indy Coug]

wherefore, when we write we behold our weakness, and stumble because of the placing of our words; and I fear lest the Gentiles shall mock at our words.

And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn;

I kept waiting for this to show up in the "Quotes from Jesus You Disagree With" thread.

[Commando]

Back on topic...

http://foxbaltimore.com/news/features/raw-news/stories/elizabeth-smart-speaks-at-johns-hopkins-human-trafficking-forum-486.shtml#.UY0wZpWgbBf

[myboynoah]

Back on topic...


http://foxbaltimore.com/news/feature...l#.UY0wZpWgbBf

As a father of two daughters, that's very heartbreaking. Amazing woman.

Interesting how obvious it is that her faith sustained her throughout her ordeal.

[LA Ute]

As a father of two daughters, that's very heartbreaking. Amazing woman.

Interesting how obvious it is that her faith sustained her throughout her ordeal.

Yes to everything you said. Seems like the key portion of the video clip, for this thread, is from about 9:40 to 10:40.

[All-American]

The story, says this writer, is a stretch. The chewing gum analogy apparently came from a schoolteacher, not church.

http://createwritebalance.com/2013/05/08/dont-believe-everything-you-read-in-the-news/

And:

http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/05/07/did-elizabeth-smart-say-its-wrong-to-teach-abstinence/

[UVACoug]

LA is quite dogmatic. That its why his arguments are fairy predictable. Dogma does not necessarily equate with logic.

It doesn't equate with bad logic either. Predictability is unrelated to whether an argument is sound or not.

[clackamascoug]

Does she speak for free or fee? Does it matter?

[UVACoug]

The story, says this writer, is a stretch. The chewing gum analogy apparently came from a schoolteacher, not church.

http://createwritebalance.com/2013/05/08/dont-believe-everything-you-read-in-the-news/

And:

http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.d...ch-abstinence/

This is something worth being outraged about (as opposed to the silly debate that has gone on through this thread). The news reports, including one from everyone's favorite Mormon ... Johanna Brooks ... completely twisted her words. Elizabeth Smart deserves much more respect than to be treated as a pawn in someone's political agenda.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Since when did predictability make an argument wrong? It seems to me that if you can predict an argument, it probably makes some logical sense. Now an argument has to be novel or unheard of in order to be acceptable here? Huh?


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It doesn't equate with bad logic either. Predictability is unrelated to whether an argument is sound or not.

Correct, it is unrelated. But you appeared to make the argument that a predictable argument probably made some logical sense simply because it is predictable. I made the statement that it was predictable because he is dogmatic(a statement that he did not challenge, btw)

[LA Ute]

I made the statement that it was predictable because he is dogmatic(a statement that he did not challenge, btw)

I did too. I said I like dogs, a well-known fact.

Now, if you want get all dictionary-like, Merriam-Webster says "dogmatic" means "characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts." I don't think you can fairly pin that one on me. (Other failings fit, of course.) But I can think of a few folks here who find my opinions infuriating because they seem to think their own opinions are undeniable facts. (This does not refer to you!)

[UtahDan]

The story, says this writer, is a stretch. The chewing gum analogy apparently came from a schoolteacher, not church.

http://createwritebalance.com/2013/05/08/dont-believe-everything-you-read-in-the-news/

And:

http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.d...ch-abstinence/

This is something worth being outraged about (as opposed to the silly debate that has gone on through this thread). The news reports, including one from everyone's favorite Mormon ... Johanna Brooks ... completely twisted her words. Elizabeth Smart deserves much more respect than to be treated as a pawn in someone's political agenda.

I think you guys should ask the women in your lives whether they received a similar object lesson. Plus, it's much bigger than a single object lesson. Virtue (virginity) being tied to a women's worth is a larger thread. See Moroni 9:9, for example.

[LA Ute]

I think you guys should ask the women in your lives whether they received a similar object lesson. Plus, it's much bigger than a single object lesson. Virtue (virginity) being tied to a women's worth is a larger thread. See Moroni 9:9, for example.

For FHE tomorrow night we're watching the Elizabeth Smart speech, then doing the gold coin object lesson. I'll report back.

[All-American]

I think you guys should ask the women in your lives whether they received a similar object lesson. Plus, it's much bigger than a single object lesson. Virtue (virginity) being tied to a women's worth is a larger thread. See Moroni 9:9, for example.

Well, as long as we are twisting her words and using her for a good cause, I guess it's okay . . . .