Is it doctrine or culture that keeps women from being ordained?

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  • CardiacCoug
    вот так штука
    • Nov 2008
    • 11013

    #61

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    • Mrs. Funk
      Lawyer Wannabe
      • Nov 2008
      • 2690

      #62
      If it's a humor piece, then I can laugh it off. If it's serious, it's pretty offensive.
      "You know, I was looking at your shirt and your scarf and I was thinking that if you had leaned over, I could have seen everything." ~Trial Ad Judge

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      • CardiacCoug
        вот так штука
        • Nov 2008
        • 11013

        #63
        Originally posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
        If it's a humor piece, then I can laugh it off. If it's serious, it's pretty offensive.
        It's humor.

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        • Mrs. Funk
          Lawyer Wannabe
          • Nov 2008
          • 2690

          #64
          Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
          It's humor.
          Ah. In that case, pretty funny.
          "You know, I was looking at your shirt and your scarf and I was thinking that if you had leaned over, I could have seen everything." ~Trial Ad Judge

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69488

            #65
            Another essay by Hannah Wheelwright, a BYU student who has written several essays and participated in several panels to discuss the issue. She has a nice way of approaching the topic in a diplomatic fashion. Not to mention that it takes a lot of guts to do what she is doing.

            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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            • frank ryan
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 12273

              #66
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Another essay by Hannah Wheelwright, a BYU student who has written several essays and participated in several panels to discuss the issue. She has a nice way of approaching the topic in a diplomatic fashion. Not to mention that it takes a lot of guts to do what she is doing.

              http://www.heraldextra.com/news/opin...087461371.html
              I saw her speak at Sunstone. She is very sincere and impressive.

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              • Moliere
                One man.....one pie
                • Oct 2009
                • 27806

                #67
                This may or may not fit in this thread, but our YM have the "PH assignment" (yes, the bishop and stake call it that) to take down the chairs in the primary and nursery rooms. Today I went to help and the Primary Presidency had already completed the task as they told me that they don't mind doing it and it only takes 5 minutes. I'm thinking about complaining to the bishop that the women in my ward are usurping the PH responsibilities!
                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                • ERCougar
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 10978

                  #68
                  Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                  I saw her speak at Sunstone. She is very sincere and impressive.
                  Particularly for her age. She's maybe 20 and has already been doing this for a year or two.
                  At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                  -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                  • Solon
                    Lost in the flood
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 5747

                    #69
                    Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                    Particularly for her age. She's maybe 20 and has already been doing this for a year or two.
                    Yeah, she is gutsy. I hope she doesn't get squashed.

                    What is "SEmD"?
                    From this line:
                    "There's been a great deal of public discussion about female ordination since March of this year with the introduction of the organization called Ordain Women. Many people assert different opinions SEmD women receive the priesthood or priestesshood with their endowment, women hold the priesthood jointly with their husband once sealed, women will never hold the priest(ess)hood at least on this earth, or women have always had the priesthood.
                    "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
                    -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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                    • Bo Diddley
                      Senior
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 18720

                      #70
                      That was a very good read. My only disagreement was her watered down/over-simplified view of what motherhood is. But I get the point she was making.

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                      • Uncle Ted
                        The Big 12 money shot.
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 28853

                        #71
                        Latter-day Saint Women and the Priesthood of God: A Believer's Exploration

                        Book.jpg

                        The issue of women and the priesthood has been a matter of concern for many Latter-day Saints for years.

                        This book changes the entire discussion.

                        In 2012, the never-before-published Nauvoo Relief Society Minute Book was finally made available online. Investigation of this manuscript reveals what almost amount to “lost teachings” of Joseph Smith, including the following:


                        • Joseph Smith “said he was going to make of this [Relief] Society ‘a kingdom of priests.’”
                        • Joseph spoke of “delivering the keys” to both the leaders of the Church and to the leaders of Relief Society.
                        • Joseph said “the keys of the kingdom” were about to be given to sisters “as well as to the Elders.”
                        • Joseph then said “I now turn the key to you in the name of God.”


                        This book thoroughly investigates claims that the LDS priesthood is to be restricted to men—and finds no support for such claims. This is a book for both men and women who want to learn what Joseph taught on this issue—and who want to consider possible futures.
                        […]
                        About the Author


                        Mark Koltko-Rivera converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints while attending Haverford College in Pennsylvania. He served for two years as an LDS missionary in the Japan Okayama Mission. He has served in the Church as a home teacher, a Gospel Doctrine Sunday School teacher, a bishop’s counselor in two wards, and a member of a stake high council. He has published about the Latter-day Saints in Sunstone, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, and Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training.
                        […]
                        http://www.amazon.com/Latter-day-Sai...dp/0615995020/

                        I am guessing that someone will be calling Bro Koltko-Rivera's bishop/SP soon.
                        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                        • Pheidippides
                          Liberal Feminazi
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 14759

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                          Latter-day Saint Women and the Priesthood of God: A Believer's Exploration

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                          http://www.amazon.com/Latter-day-Sai...dp/0615995020/

                          I am guessing that someone will be calling Bro Koltko-Rivera's bishop/SP soon.
                          Rumor is they already have and he's been called in for a discussion. Unsubstantiated rumor only.
                          Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.

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                          • Uncle Ted
                            The Big 12 money shot.
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 28853

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Pheidippides View Post
                            Rumor is they already have and he's been called in for a discussion. Unsubstantiated rumor only.
                            This author doesn't really seem to fit the classic ProgMo stereotype...

                            http://www.mormon.org/me/1777

                            Or is it cool as a ProgMo to create a mormon.org page?
                            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                            • Jeff Lebowski
                              Corporate lackey for Jesus
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 69488

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Pheidippides View Post
                              Rumor is they already have and he's been called in for a discussion. Unsubstantiated rumor only.
                              Salt level please.
                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • Pheidippides
                                Liberal Feminazi
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 14759

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                Salt level please.
                                Half the ocean.
                                Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.

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