Bruder Uchtdorf gave a helluva talk on Sunday...

[statman]

for the CES fireside. One of the best talks I've ever heard. "What is Truth" There's a link on LDS.org homepage.

[Northwestcoug]

That's interesting. He's sort of the poster child for some progressive members, yet I've heard disappointment about his talk from them. Why was it a good talk?

[hostile]

That's interesting. He's sort of the poster child for some progressive members, yet I've heard disappointment about his talk from them. Why was it a good talk?

I heard that you can make $25K selling doilies.

[Northwestcoug]

I heard that you can make $25K selling doilies.

Sweet. Sounds like I need to listen to it. And learn how to make doilies.

[kccougar]

That's interesting. He's sort of the poster child for some progressive members, yet I've heard disappointment about his talk from them. Why was it a good talk?

Just a guess because I don't know anything about the talk other than the title, but I imagine some progressive members are not so comfortable with the idea of the existence of any absolute truth.

[kccougar]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...the-truth.html

[Indy Coug]

Just a guess because I don't know anything about the talk other than the title, but I imagine some progressive members are not so comfortable with the idea of the existence of any absolute truth.

I was going to browse the talk, but it's only available in video form right now.

[kccougar]

I was going to browse the talk, but it's only available in video form right now.

DesNews summary posted above.

[Indy Coug]

I can see how this might bend a few people out of shape:

Part of the reason for poor judgment comes from the tendency of mankind to blur the line between belief and truth, he said.

"We too often confuse belief with truth, thinking that because something makes sense or is convenient, it must be true," he said. "Conversely, we sometimes don't believe truth or reject it — because it would require us to change or admit that we were wrong. Often truth is rejected because it doesn't appear to be consistent with previous experiences."

When the opinions or "truths" of others contradict what an individual already knows, instead of considering the possibility that there could be information that might be helpful and would augment or complement knowledge, individuals often jump to conclusions or make assumptions that the other person is misinformed or trying to deceive, he said.

"The thing about truth is that it exists beyond belief," President Uchtdorf said. "It is true even if nobody believes it."

[byu71]

I can see how this might bend a few people out of shape:

I understand what he is saying. However, it highlights one of the great conflicts that goes on within me, especially where it concerns the church.

My good friend prays for truth and he gets an answer that for instance TV on Sunday is not good. I pray and get an answer that watching TV on Sunday is no big deal, go ahead. I even get an answer that playing golf occasionally on Sunday with my boys is positive as I don't get to associate with them nearly enough.

My friend of course tells me I couldn't have possiblly gotten that answer and the proper way to spend time with my boys is to insist they attend church with me.

So whose truth is truth? Whose preconceived beliefs going into a discussion should be held strong because they are true and whose should be open to change because they are untrue?

[Pheidippides]

I can see how this might bend a few people out of shape:

Not me. That statement cuts both sides of the orthodox/progressive divide as far as I am concerned.

Of course I'm predisposed to like Dieter F's talks so maybe my own inherent bias is showing.

[Goatnapper'96]

Just a guess because I don't know anything about the talk other than the title, but I imagine some progressive members are not so comfortable with the idea of the existence of any absolute truth.

I don't think any one who advocates any form of relative truth is bothered by the declaration that there are absolute truths, but once one declares what those absolute truths specifically are then they make enemies of the relativetruthers.

I haven't read the talk nor am I aware of the whining coming from progressives other than the new facebook page "give a starving/fasting 14 year old mormon girl the right to stand on some stranger's porch on a cold sunday afternoon having to smell the wafting aroma of sizzling bacon while the stanger fumbles for some tener to get the mormon church off of his porch."

[DapperDan]

I can see how this might bend a few people out of shape:

I fail to see any problem with that.

[woot]

I can see how this might bend a few people out of shape:

That seems like a perfectly reasonable statement. Quite subversive, really.

[Paperback Writer]

I understand what he is saying. However, it highlights one of the great conflicts that goes on within me, especially where it concerns the church.

My good friend prays for truth and he gets an answer that for instance TV on Sunday is not good. I pray and get an answer that watching TV on Sunday is no big deal, go ahead. I even get an answer that playing golf occasionally on Sunday with my boys is positive as I don't get to associate with them nearly enough.

My friend of course tells me I couldn't have possiblly gotten that answer and the proper way to spend time with my boys is to insist they attend church with me.

So whose truth is truth? Whose preconceived beliefs going into a discussion should be held strong because they are true and whose should be open to change because they are untrue?

Perhaps you both are receiving correct answers. It would be a sin for me to play golf on the Sabbath because I am horrible at golf. An even greater sin for me to allow my sons to witness such a travesty in their father - they could lose all respect. In my view, its OK for you to golf with your sons on Sunday.

Some Sundays the right answer for me might be to skip church and watch football with my sons. Other Sundays, going to church with my sons would be the best approach. I'm always suspect when someone (a friend) tells me me what is best for me and my family. Why would they receive "truth" or instruction for my family?