Wear Pants to Church Day

[Jacob]

so this actually is only about wearing pants to church? Lame. if it were about the priesthood or something important maybe I could get behind it. But come on! Just wear the proper attire. Or don't. Hardly anybody cars either way.

I'll be wearing whatever fancies me that morning, and likely no tie. I ask nobody to join me.

[wuapinmon]

I'm looking forward to wearing a purple shirt. I'm more interested though to see if anyone else in the ward does the pants or purple thing, and if so, who they are.

Maybe I'll wear my purple guayabera.

[byu71]

I guess senility has me in it's grasp right now. I am trying to follow what happened, but can't figure it out. Did President Monson come out and say something that shut down those who wanted to wear pants this Sunday?

Maybe we should start with something easier. Let's push for HC violations to carry less punishment. When we have done this, then come back to the pants.

[DrumNFeather]

Here's what I want to know...why hasn't anyone tried to shut down the bow tie movement? Come on folks, there are real problems going on with how people are dressing at church!

[FMCoug]

What would be a cool movement would be one to blow up the "unwritten order of things" all at once. Organize all manner of clothing that you normally don't see, Bishop's sitting to the right of their counselors, people calling the SP by his actual name, etc.

[taekwondave]

This one is interesting to me. I know someone who lost an infant and always regretted that he was not worthy to use his priesthood to give her a blessing (infant died just a couple days old) and that was a very meaningful and motivating experience for him to help him stay worthy for the rest of his life.

As I understand Mormon theology, a blessing works when given by one with authority AND it is God's will that the blessing actually be given by Him. I believe it is also the case that God can bless without a Priesthood holder present if that His will. So what I don't get is whether there are situations where God wants to give a blessing, but can't or doesn't because there is no worthy priesthood holder present. If there are no situations like that, then a blessing is not necessary. If there are situations like that, God is allowing third parties to suffer either because of the transgressions of an unworthy priesthood holder (which seems to contradict at least the spirit of the 2nd AoF) or because there simply isn't one around. That second scenario seems very arbitrary and not much like the loving Father most Mormons believe in. How do you see this issue?

I think blessings are only likely to work when the one giving it, the one receiving it, or both, believe it will. If the fact that you're not living perfectly makes you doubt that the blessing will work, then that absence of confidence will probably hurt your chances of it working. I don't think the will of God has one iota to do with anything involving blessings either. Unless you think it does. Then leaving room for the possibility that it is NOT his will will probably hurt your chances of it working. Thus we hear the kinds of blessings mentioned earlier in the thread that say things like, "I bless you with comfort. HF loves you. You'll learn from this, blah, blah, blah."

Nor do I think the Priesthood has anything to do with it. Unless you think it does, of course. Then, if you didn't "receive" this "priesthood", or you did but you don't think yourself worthy of it...well there you go. Be it according to your belief/unbelief (not according to your righteousness/wickedness/ordination/gender/method of administration).

I think the placebo effect is more powerful than we give it credit for. In fact, I'd say most of us don't give it any credit at all. But in my experience the only times blessings work is when no thought is given to one's own righteousness/worthiness, the righteousness/worthiness of the person receiving the blessing, or to the unknowable and fickle will of the twisted God so many of us have dreamt up. They only seem to work when the people involved actually think it's going to.

[DrumNFeather]

http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...ords-on-pants/

A relatively balanced view on the topic here.

[Uncle Ted]

Thank you baby Jesus!


Prayers are answered.

Wow, can you say a prayer for BYU joining the Big 12?

[Surfah]

http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...ords-on-pants/

A relatively balanced view on the topic here.

That is probably one of the better takes on this issue. Thank you baby Jesus.

[Pheidippides]

http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...ords-on-pants/

A relatively balanced view on the topic here.

I don't agree with all that she says but I think she's right on when she talks about the source of the misogyny on the facebook page.

[DrumNFeather]

I don't agree with all that she says but I think she's right on when she talks about the source of the misogyny on the facebook page.

Yeah. She states that pretty strongly, and while I think we see some of that, her point still doesn't much account for trolls, nor does it account completely for the internet tough guy mentality that is pervasive in most discussions. When you have nothing to lose (the mentality) you'll say whatever you want and whatever gets the biggest reaction (which speaks to some of what she's saying about the ex-mos involvement in all of this. And really, that's across the board...not just on FB, we see that on most sites with articles etc...that allow for comments and commentary).

Nevertheless, no matter what the comment, people need to hold themselves to a higher standard of behavior...even on the internet.

[ERCougar]

ok, I guess. but how many Facebook sites get shut down because of threats of violence? doesn't that concern you?

[DrumNFeather]

ok, I guess. but how many Facebook sites get shut down because of threats of violence? doesn't that concern you?

I assume you are talking to me? My answer would be, of course. One of the comments in the T&S thread said that those that made threats that were BYU students have been reported to the HC office:

I am not sure that I buy that all of society is like this, just under the surface. I don’t believe it is just the venting if feelings in anonymous forums. For one thing, the threats of violence and death threats have all been traced to real people, and the authorities have been notified. The students at BYU are not only being in estimated by campus police, but have also had the information, screen shots, and private messages, turned over to the Honor Code office.

[Indy Coug]

ok, I guess. but how many Facebook sites get shut down because of threats of violence? doesn't that concern you?

Viking was posting there?

[mUUser]

My sense is that if a longtime member in good standing suddenly starts wearing pantsuits, it might raise a few eyebrows. Marginally active or newer members just trying to find their way won't get a second look.