Wear Pants to Church Day

[Keyzer Soze]

I am 100% in favor of the pants protest, assuming of course that the pants are yoga pants and they are restricted to those sisters below a certain BMI.

[Harry Tic]

Full quote from interview with David Ransom:

There's no demand for that. Kind of like there's no demand for the real Coke on BYU campus.

[Pheidippides]

Which means that we need some trailblazers here. Time for all the vocally critical men in this thread to ordain their wives to the priesthood. Why wait for the church?

Per the literature, we don't need to. They already have been. It just needs to be recognized.

The historical precedent for women performing blessings on mostly women but also some men is rich and it's a tragedy that went away as part of the misogynism of leadership I don't care to name.

pellegrino is right; it does eventually boil down to the priesthood. I disagree with Surfah - I think it will happen, and maybe even in my lifetime. And I think Moliere is also right about a splinter group.

[Harry Tic]

There's no demand for that. Kind of like there's no demand for the real Coke on BYU campus.

Dang, byu71 is fast with the Coke quote. I guess I'm going to have be a little quicker on the draw.

[Uncle Ted]

Someone needs to organize a go to church without wearing a white shirt and tie day year. Who's with me?

[Harry Tic]

Someone needs to organize a go to church without wearing a white shirt and tie day year. Who's with me?

I wore a black shirt last week. Not a word of disapproval. And I'm pretty sure the looks I was getting were of admiration at my fine sartorial style.

[Northwestcoug]

For the record, here's the CHOI on PEC:

As needed, the bishop may invite the Relief Society president to attend some ward PEC meetings to discuss confidential welfare matters and to coordinate home teaching and visiting teaching assignments.

Notice that their usefulness in PEC is limited to coordinating visiting assignments and welfare administration. No need to worry their pretty little heads with the more complex problems of running a ward. Good thing the ward clerk is there for that.

[UtahDan]

They are better off without what?

Religion, my friend.

[DrumNFeather]

Someone needs to organize a go to church without wearing a white shirt and tie day year. Who's with me?

I wore a white shirt to bless my baby a few weeks ago and the clerk came up to me and said "I didn't recognize you in that white shirt, wasn't sure you owned one."

[UtahDan]

I wore a white shirt to bless my baby a few weeks ago and the clerk came up to me and said "I didn't recognize you in that white shirt, wasn't sure you owned one."

I really want to take credit here......

[pellegrino]

I really want to take credit here......

hand me downs?

[Pheidippides]

Someone needs to organize a go to church without wearing a white shirt and tie day year. Who's with me?

You're two years late. Haven't done a white shirt to church in at least that long. I do always wear a tie.

[Surfah]

"They are better off without it." In other words, the same argument made by Randy Bott recently.

No. I mean it. I wasn't being patronizing at all.

Our ward right now is struggling mightily for membership. We're barely a ward and I have been in bigger branches. Giving women the priesthood would alleviate many of our small ward's issues. We currently have 2 deacons, 1 teacher and 1 priest. The priest is semi-active. The MP pretty much handle the sacrament each week. If YW had the priesthood this would help. I have never had a full presidency in 2.5 years because I don't have enough active or worthy elders to fill positions. I have never had an instructor and teaching assignments have rotated through whoever is in the presidency. I also have never had district leaders or anyone to help with HT. Yet our RS seems to invent positions to give callings to sisters. If sisters held the priesthood then maybe I wouldn't ever have to be in scouts. I wouldn't have to go out with the elders as often. I might not get called out to give blessings as often as I do. I also wouldn't have to hang out at the church just so women could have their homemaking. I also wouldn't have to go to girls camp or beg for volunteers to attend. Our ward would be much better off if women had it. I would be better off if women had it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

No. I mean it. I wasn't being patronizing at all.

Our ward right now is struggling mightily for membership. We're barely a ward and I have been in bigger branches. Giving women the priesthood would alleviate many of our small ward's issues. We currently have 2 deacons, 1 teacher and 1 priest. The priest is semi-active. The MP pretty much handle the sacrament each week. If YW had the priesthood this would help. I have never had a full presidency in 2.5 years because I don't have enough active or worthy elders to fill positions. I have never had an instructor and teaching assignments have rotated through whoever is in the presidency. I also have never had district leaders or anyone to help with HT. Yet our RS seems to invent positions to give callings to sisters. If sisters held the priesthood then maybe I wouldn't ever have to be in scouts. I wouldn't have to go out with the elders as often. I might not get called out to give blessings as often as I do. I also wouldn't have to hang out at the church just so women could have their homemaking. I also wouldn't have to go to girls camp or beg for volunteers to attend. Our ward would be much better off if women had it. I would be better off if women had it.

Gotcha. Thanks.

[Pheidippides]

No. I mean it. I wasn't being patronizing at all.

Our ward right now is struggling mightily for membership. We're barely a ward and I have been in bigger branches. Giving women the priesthood would alleviate many of our small ward's issues. We currently have 2 deacons, 1 teacher and 1 priest. The priest is semi-active. The MP pretty much handle the sacrament each week. If YW had the priesthood this would help. I have never had a full presidency in 2.5 years because I don't have enough active or worthy elders to fill positions. I have never had an instructor and teaching assignments have rotated through whoever is in the presidency. I also have never had district leaders or anyone to help with HT. Yet our RS seems to invent positions to give callings to sisters. If sisters held the priesthood then maybe I wouldn't ever have to be in scouts. I wouldn't have to go out with the elders as often. I might not get called out to give blessings as often as I do. I also wouldn't have to hang out at the church just so women could have their homemaking. I also wouldn't have to go to girls camp or beg for volunteers to attend. Our ward would be much better off if women had it. I would be better off if women had it.

That's a pretty powerful argument for. I would agree with your last two sentences even without the background.

However, and not to undermine my own position, there are consequences to think through. Mixed gender presidencies and bishoprics, for example. Pregnant stake presidents. Things like that. Are the members or the church willing to accept that much of a shift? Many would I'm sure. But many would struggle. My wife thinks that the men in the church would do fine but some women would struggle. I disagree - I think some men will have a hard time too.

And what does that do to "presiding in the home" rhetoric? And temple ceremony procedures? All of these things can and have changed, but they are not small things.

I think the announcement allowing sisters to go at a younger age - for all the inequality in the missionary expectations that remains - is the start of something big. When missions are close to 50% female, how long are the sisters going to tolerate being led exclusively by the elders?