Wear Pants to Church Day

[YOhio]

Purple shirts and ties? Weak. Dudes should wear these as a show of solidarity.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Common consent <> common dissent

lol. I rest my case.

[falafel]

Indy has had leadership callings in 4 consecutive units over the last 7 years.

financial clerk.

[Indy Coug]

I'm curious as to how integrated into the ward this woman was and the responses she got afterward.

Our ward had people from all (and I mean ALL) walks of life and in my experience, people were very accepting of each other. As to whether she got any responses specifically about making pointed remarks at the pulpit, I have no idea.

I will tell you it's difficult to narrow your field of vision to above the shoulders when you're sitting from 50 feet away.

[Indy Coug]

financial clerk.

For 18 months, yes.

[Northwestcoug]

No she doesn't. Not in any ward I've been in. Not per the handbook if memory serves.

Ward Council is a shitshow, mostly because in every one I've been in the women get unintentionally cowed by the patriarchy into shutting up. Part of that is the fault of the women for not standing up. But not all of it - and doubly so when you consider who calls which women.

N=5, ftr.

Yeah, I've never been part of a PEC that has the RS president attend. I've heard of bishops that have her attend, though. Maybe they're all part of Indy's ward!

[Pheidippides]

lol. I rest my case.

The defense of the status quo is as predictable as the status quo itself.

It has been my invariable experience that the full participation of women on an equal basis in leadership produces results that benefit both men and women. The church does not have that in any way that is not laughable and the results are not surprising.

If any of you have a good answer for my daughter as to why she won't get the priesthood at 12 and what her role is going forward (questions she's asking me now), I'm all ears. The best I've come up with is that institutional inertia takes time to change.

[DrumNFeather]

FWIW there is a blurb in the handbook about the RS President attending PEC, but to be fair to the skeptics out there, it is (I believe) at the bishop's discretion). That said, I'm aware of several wards where this is the case.

[OhioBlue]

I'm looking forward to wearing a purple shirt. I'm more interested though to see if anyone else in the ward does the pants or purple thing, and if so, who they are.

[Mrs. Funk]

Quite frankly, I'm surprised at the opposition I'm seeing to this. It's not about the pants, of course - as many people have pointed out, some women do that anyway. It's about a lot of women - how many I don't know - being dissatisfied with their role in the church and choosing a relatively benign and harmless way to make that known. (The church response, btw, was very funny because it completely played dumb about this - that's not a criticism). A decade ago GBH himself said that the women don't have the priesthood because there hasn't been the demand for it; this is one way the demand is made.

While I'm not a woman, I'm sensitive to the issue for a few reasons I don't care to go into here. So I will be wearing a purple tie (no kilt - thought it would be too distracting) in support.

What surprises me is how many people are simply telling participants to just find a new church if they're so unhappy about it. For wearing pants to church. I had no way of anticipating how much the event would blow up or the level of vitriol it would attract.

[Moliere]

ftr, I'm currently wearing pants...

I don't think I've ever seen a woman wear pants to church.

I don't think women in France own dresses. Pantsuits were the norm there IRIC.

The RS president attends PEC every single week. Then there's this whole Ward Council thing that happens bi-weekly.

I've never seen a RS President in PEC. PEC is a priesthood meeting and the RSP would only be invited on special occasion. She certainly does not have a standing invitation as with YMP, EQP, HPGL, etc.

[SoCalCoug]

I asked my wife last night if she'd be wearing pants to church on Sunday. Her response: "I hate wearing pants."

[Jeff Lebowski]

I don't think women in France own dresses. Pantsuits were the norm there IRIC.

I hear there is a place in France where the women wear no pants. Have I been misled?

[Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

ftr, I'm currently wearing pants...



I don't think women in France own dresses. Pantsuits were the norm there IRIC.



I've never seen a RS President in PEC. PEC is a priesthood meeting and the RSP would only be invited on special occasion. She certainly does not have a standing invitation as with YMP, EQP, HPGL, etc.

Our RS President has a standing invitation to PEC every week.

[Moliere]

I'm looking forward to wearing a purple shirt. I'm more interested though to see if anyone else in the ward does the pants or purple thing, and if so, who they are.

This. I want to see who the closet promos are so I can befriend them. I doubt any women in my ward will wear pants but I'll return and report.

I like the idea of wearing pants to church. Women are not equally represented in the church. The church used to pay liip service to equality and now it seems we are turning the corner to actually having more equality. I think that's a good thing. I look forward to the day that women are given the PH. I imagine that shortly after that announcement a large group of members will splinter off and form some group in southern Utah that will claim to retain the pure doctrine of the church. That group will wither and die and in 50 years we'll all look back and decide that they were never like us.