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[All-American]

There are other leaders that I think have done incalculable damage to the church in their time. I would classify these as BY (depending on viewpoint), JFS, JFiS, BRM, ETB and BKP.

Of the last category, I actually think one of these men was evil. Wicked. Not righteous. One other I think was a liar (although the tradition of lying for the Lord has much precedent). The others were just hardliners, people who couldn't see past their own opinions. BKP is in this very last group.

Woah. I almost hesitate to ask, but . . . nah, I'll hold off for now.

[Moliere]

It's a sign the church is getting away from correlation. Moliere should be uncorking the champagne.

I've uncorked the Martinellis. We aren't far enough along to uncork the champagne yet.

[Pheidippides]

Woah. I almost hesitate to ask, but . . . nah, I'll hold off for now.

The answers are BY and JFiS respectively.

[LA Ute]

The answers are BY and JFiS respectively.

I want to be present in the spirit world when you finally meet up with those two.

[DU Ute]

The answers are BY and JFiS respectively.

I was right!

[Pheidippides]

I want to be present in the spirit world when you finally meet up with those two.

Based on what I just said, I'm pretty sure we're never going to be in the same place.

[LA Ute]

Based on what I just said, I'm pretty sure we're never going to be in the same place.

Maybe at the final judgment?

[All-American]

Based on what I just said, I'm pretty sure we're never going to be in the same place.

Which is why it will be all the more awkward when you do meet up. Just imagine the look on your face when you first see him and start wondering where you are . . . .

[Jarid in Cedar]

I hope that LAU understands that he is not obligated to defend every statement or position of the church. They won't excommunicate him if he doesn't.

[smokymountainrain]

I hope that LAU understands that he is not obligated to defend every statement or position of the church. They won't excommunicate him if he doesn't.

I feel like sometimes he and Indy in particular are simply trying to bring some balance to the board. On certain topics, this board is incredibly one sided and that gets really boring, especially if I agree with that side. I, for one, appreciate the effort.

[FMCoug]

I feel like sometimes he and Indy in particular are simply trying to bring some balance to the board. On certain topics, this board is incredibly one sided and that gets really boring, especially if I agree with that side. I, for one, appreciate the effort.

That's fine and balance is great. But when you have otherwise reasonable people (on either side) spinning like crazy it gets old.

[LA Ute]

I hope that LAU understands that he is not obligated to defend every statement or position of the church. They won't excommunicate him if he doesn't.

Come on. You all know you need me here.

Seriously, this very fine board has a...tendency to become an echo chamber in which certain positions, although eminently debatable, are treated as ironclad truths that any serious person accepts. I can't resist responding to that kind of discourse.

That's fine and balance is great. But when you have otherwise reasonable people (on either side) spinning like crazy it gets old.

If you catch me spinning, point it out. If I agree that I am spinning (and I promise to be fair) I promise not to eat at Cafe Rio for at least 6 months.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Come on. You all know you need me here.

Seriously, this very fine board has a...tendency to become an echo chamber in which certain positions, although eminently debatable, are treated as ironclad truths that any serious person accepts. .

But isn't this all that the church is (any church for that matter)? Isn't that basically what happens every Sunday? People reverberating the same ideas and thoughts over and over treating them as ironclad truths that any person with an ounce of common sense should understand and believe? Do you offer up the opposing viewpoint in that locale?

[LA Ute]

But isn't this all that the church is (any church for that matter)? Isn't that basically what happens every Sunday? People reverberating the same ideas and thoughts over and over treating them as ironclad truths that any person with an ounce of common sense should understand and believe? Do you offer up the opposing viewpoint in that locale?

A typically fair and sincere question from you, which, as usual, made me think. It seems to me that this board and the Mormon church are apples and oranges. This is a discussion board and exists for debate, whereas our church is, well, a church, and one doesn't go there to debate, at least not in the same way one comes here. Also, the intellectual condescension you describe does not really exist in our church to any significant degree. It is, sadly, present here a bit too often, IMO.

That said, in church when people do get a little too group-thinky for my tastes, I do try to nudge the conversation towards a broader way of thinking. You'd be surprised.

[pellegrino]

I suppose this was inevitable.

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