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  • Originally posted by All-American View Post
    So make the first six to eight months of the mission post-MTC service oriented. Think of it as Ammon watching the sheep and feeding the horses before ever mentioning anything about God. No stigma, because everyone does it.
    An increase in the number of service hours per week would be the best answer. Then you can proselyte when it's most effective and spend a lot more time at the food bank or just walking around doing random acts of service. I probably taught more discussions through service than I ever did knocking doors and I spent a lot more time knocking doors than anything else.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
      An increase in the number of service hours per week would be the best answer. Then you can proselyte when it's most effective and spend a lot more time at the food bank or just walking around doing random acts of service. I probably taught more discussions through service than I ever did knocking doors and I spent a lot more time knocking doors than anything else.
      Perhaps. For my part, though, I knew as a missionary that service hours were just something we did to pass a few hours a week in lieu of proselyting-- a token gesture, really. If all you do is increase the number of hours, it might appear as little more than a way to kill time during a not-so-busy week. If missionaries spend a few months devoted solely to service (especially the first few months, when the language skills are at their worst), it may place greater emphasis on the importance of service.
      τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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      • Originally posted by All-American View Post
        Perhaps. For my part, though, I knew as a missionary that service hours were just something we did to pass a few hours a week in lieu of proselyting-- a token gesture, really. If all you do is increase the number of hours, it might appear as little more than a way to kill time during a not-so-busy week. If missionaries spend a few months devoted solely to service (especially the first few months, when the language skills are at their worst), it may place greater emphasis on the importance of service.
        Nah. Just have them do service in off peak hours like weekday mornings or early afternoon. Blue collar work like shoveling shit at a dairy farm is not bad. But I would also look for opportunities where we a missionary could provide more than hard labor, such as tutoring at schools or English classes.

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        • Originally posted by All-American View Post
          Perhaps. For my part, though, I knew as a missionary that service hours were just something we did to pass a few hours a week in lieu of proselyting-- a token gesture, really. If all you do is increase the number of hours, it might appear as little more than a way to kill time during a not-so-busy week. If missionaries spend a few months devoted solely to service (especially the first few months, when the language skills are at their worst), it may place greater emphasis on the importance of service.
          Exclusive service is a better answer as you point out. I agree that just adding on will be done in a neglectful spirit.
          "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

          Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Ha. Some of you non-Utah mormons need to get over yourselves.
            Utah Mormons are what ails the Church.
            "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

            Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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            • Originally posted by Topper View Post
              Utah Mormons are what ails the Church.
              Get over yourself.
              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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              • Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                Nah. Just have them do service in off peak hours like weekday mornings or early afternoon. Blue collar work like shoveling shit at a dairy farm is not bad. But I would also look for opportunities where we a missionary could provide more than hard labor, such as tutoring at schools or English classes.
                I wouldn't look forward to it, but among the biggest areas of need in the world is improved sanitation and clean water. As I recall, nearly half the world still lacks any form of plumbing or sanitary waste disposal, and close to a billion people lack a clean water source. These issues are the biggest cause of the death in the world (diarrhea, etc.). Unleash many thousands of supervisors, engineering students and laborers on the problem and you'll save millions of lives.

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                • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                  Impose the equivalent of universal conscription on all young adults at 18. But give them a choice of proselyting, humanitarian service or military service. Establish the Church equivalent of the Peace Corps for the humanitarian element.
                  Time for a new Mormon militia!

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                  • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                    I wouldn't look forward to it, but among the biggest areas of need in the world is improved sanitation and clean water. As I recall, nearly half the world still lacks any form of plumbing or sanitary waste disposal, and close to a billion people lack a clean water source. These issues are the biggest cause of the death in the world (diarrhea, etc.). Unleash many thousands of supervisors, engineering students and laborers on the problem and you'll save millions of lives.
                    Unleash the Ammon Project in the name of PAC!
                    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                    Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                    • My city, for example, could use a group of volunteers to go around and do deferred maintenance on public buildings, cutting the grass of blighted properties, demolishing condemned structures, working with the Boys and Girls Club, and a host of other projects. Imagine if we marshaled all our youth for being in the service of their fellow man. Good Christian selfless service would be a powerful proselyting tool, especially when there were natural disasters
                      "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                      The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                      • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        There you go. We could call it "the Ammon Project".
                        Lol! Do you know of what you speak, or was that after your time in Japan?

                        The mere mention of the phrase "Ammon Project" brings chills to my spine, and not in a good way.
                        Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.

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                        • Originally posted by beefytee View Post
                          Time for a new Mormon militia!
                          We can call it the Danites. Or maybe the Nauvoo Legion.
                          Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.

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                          • Originally posted by Pheidippides View Post
                            Lol! Do you know of what you speak, or was that after your time in Japan?

                            The mere mention of the phrase "Ammon Project" brings chills to my spine, and not in a good way.
                            No idea what you are talking about. I must have missed it.
                            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                            • Originally posted by Pheidippides View Post
                              Lol! Do you know of what you speak, or was that after your time in Japan?

                              The mere mention of the phrase "Ammon Project" brings chills to my spine, and not in a good way.
                              Please explain.
                              "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                              Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                No idea what you are talking about. I must have missed it.
                                I believe it was the Fukuoka mission that tried this and the results were atrocious. It is hard to know what stories that came about as a result of the Ammon project were made up or hyperbole, but in the end it was not a good thing.

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