Rumors of 19 year old females going on missions

[Topper]

I won't be around to see what the final effect is. Even 15 years down the road it still probably will be up for debate. I do agree with the equal footing. You went on a mission, good so did I and you are not in a class that I am not.

Will we now have women in the ward who are RM's and thus feel a dominant position to those fellows in the ward who did not serve. This whole thing seems to be about positioning.

I think in reality it is about opportunity. Does this opportunity mean the leaders are moving toward the opportunity for women to have leadership roles equivalent to males. I think not.

Let's see retention is poor, we are dumbing down our women, what's next on the agenda of the leaders?

[byu71]

Let's see retention is poor, we are dumbing down our women, what's next on the agenda of the leaders?

I don't think that is the agenda. They are strong believers and a strong belief trumps a good education from the perspective of a strong believer. Their objective is in the young women's best interest from their sincere perspective.

If the LDS church is the only true church, then they could be right.

[Topper]

I don't think that is the agenda. They are strong believers and a strong belief trumps a good education from the perspective of a strong believer. Their objective is in the young women's best interest from their sincere perspective.

If the LDS church is the only true church, then they could be right.

Always put off until eternities.

Intelligence. Check.

Sounds like a great plan.

[Paperback Writer]

I would be interested in knowing the LDS graduate degree male/female gap nationally rather than just Utah. I agree that more females serving missions will promote internal change in church practices. However, I think a bigger catalyst for change will be more LDS females working in leadership positions in business and corporate America. Assimilating best practices learned in management and an ease with working with and supervising males. In my many years working in IT, I've reported to more women than men.

Not sure if the end result of change in church practices will result in female ordination. I think there's still a great deal of cultural change within the church that needs to occur. But as more and more YW serve missions and work in leadership positions in their career, cultural change will continue.

[byu71]

I would be interested in knowing the LDS graduate degree male/female gap nationally rather than just Utah. I agree that more females serving missions will promote internal change in church practices. However, I think a bigger catalyst for change will be more LDS females working in leadership positions in business and corporate America. Assimilating best practices learned in management and an ease with working with and supervising males. In my many years working in IT, I've reported to more women than men.

Not sure if the end result of change in church practices will result in female ordination. I think there's still a great deal of cultural change within the church that needs to occur. But as more and more YW serve missions and work in leadership positions in their career, cultural change will continue.

Does anyone know what percentage women make up when it comes to management positions in the churches secular operations. Their real estate operations, purchasing, IT departments, etc?

[Paperback Writer]

I totally agree with this part of it--it puts women on much more equal spiritual footing, and that's a good thing. I just think the women need the same warning as the men about not marrying quickly, and I don't see that happening.

In my view, cultural change occurs at the family level. But I don't live in Utah so the "cultural grip" of Mormonism seems less tight. For instance, my kids have far more non-Mormon friends than Mormon, few, if any, LDS teachers or role models outside of family and church. Often, Mormons take counsel in talks from the pulpit or in GC to justify their own decisions: the speaker or GA said not to put off getting married so I'm justified in going through with my plans for marrying young. Those attitudes are formed within their family and circle of influence. If the mother of a YW married young and many of her high school friends are looking forward to marriage at the earliest possible opportunity, then a YW will probably plan to do the same. However, if her mother married at the average age of female Americans and her friends are all looking forward to going off to college and only getting married after graduation and then only to the right guy ...
I recently had a talk with my teenage daughter about her future plans: mission: "no way!" college: "definitely"; marriage: "I don't see myself getting married-ever".

[byu71]

I recently had a talk with my teenage daughter about her future plans: mission: "no way!" college: "definitely"; marriage: "I don't see myself getting married-ever".

Sounds like a very capable young lady. Perhaps she will take Sherri Dew's job.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Let's see retention is poor, we are dumbing down our women, what's next on the agenda of the leaders?

Still delivering the insightful and nuanced thoughts, I see.

[Uncle Ted]

I would be interested in knowing the LDS graduate degree male/female gap nationally rather than just Utah. I agree that more females serving missions will promote internal change in church practices. However, I think a bigger catalyst for change will be more LDS females working in leadership positions in business and corporate America. Assimilating best practices learned in management and an ease with working with and supervising males. In my many years working in IT, I've reported to more women than men.

Not sure if the end result of change in church practices will result in female ordination. I think there's still a great deal of cultural change within the church that needs to occur. But as more and more YW serve missions and work in leadership positions in their career, cultural change will continue.

http://www.mormonsocialscience.org/2...est-explained/

It seems that LDS women mostly go to college to just get their MRS degrees given their lack of grad school.

[Paperback Writer]

It seems that LDS women mostly go to college to just get their MRS degrees given their lack of grad school.

Maybe. Or women pursue careers that don't require a graduate degree. I do think the % of LDS women getting graduate degrees will trend upward as their age of marriage trends upward. If a couple gets married in college and both graduate, it's difficult for both to continue on to graduate school at the same time. For that to change, young people need to meet and get married in graduate school rather than during their undergraduate. And since BYU is not a research university, that's a little harder to do (at least at BYU).

[Dwight Schr-ute]

Sister Facer learned the “cupstoration” song from a member in the mission and has been using it to teach people about the restoration.

The song is choreographed and each cup has images that relate to what they are singing about. Sister Facer ends the song by explaining that:

The cupstoration just kinda shows how, even though Jesus Christ isn’t here personally on the Earth, He is still the head of His Church.

http://youtu.be/1Lv2KhALAFs

[Moliere]

http://youtu.be/1Lv2KhALAFs

No wonder baptisms didn't increase in proportion to the increased missionary force.

[falafel]

No wonder baptisms didn't increase in proportion to the increased missionary force.

I don't know, sister Facer has a pretty decent voice.

[Uncle Ted]

It seems the law of diminishing returns applies to missionary work...

Mormon conversion rate lags behind missionary increase

A record number of young Mormons signed up for missions after church leaders lowered the minimum age in 2012, but new figures show the onslaught of proselytizing Latter-day Saints didn't lead to an equally dramatic spike in converts.


Statistics released by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints indicate there were 296,800 converts last year. The figure marked a 9 percent increase from two years ago, even though the number of missionaries increased by 44 percent.


The 85,150 missionaries serving at the end of last year were the most in Mormon history.


However, the average number of people converted per missionary, per year dropped to about 3.4 in each of the past two years — down from an average of five the previous decade, church figures show.
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http://www.sltrib.com/news/2413326-1...ary?fullpage=1

but maybe the age change will put a dent in the high percentage of YSA's going inactive.

[Topper]

Still delivering the insightful and nuanced thoughts, I see.

A mirror mocking memories.