Sex before marriage equals happiness

[Portland Ute]

the official "Church" position

What is the official church position?

[Non Sequitur]

Occasionally, a wife may, for instance, attend a sporting event with the husband, not because she loves doing it, rather it shows the husband how much she loves him when she does things with him that are gratifying to him.

Also, on occasion, a man might, for intance, attend the Parade of Homes with the wife in order to show his love and affection for her.

On other occasions, the woman enjoys going to the games and the man enjoys exploring the Parade of Homes.

What I am saying is, neither the sporting event nor the Parade of Homes is demeaning.

Sometimes a woman needs you to take her to the Parde of Homes. I hope you give her what she wants.

I, for one, quite enjoy attending the Parade of Homes. It brings my wife immense joy and I am quite pleased myself when she is joyous.

*My avatar is so apropos for this thread. I had no idea how funny it would be when I chose it a week ago!*

I never minded the Parade of Homes, but there were times when I didn't want to tour the whole house.

[Topper]

What is the official church position?

That is a good point, but currently the Church will generate "studies" to show waiting to have sex before marriage is at the very least equal in status to not waiting, fidelity in marriage benefits marriage, homosexual sex is harmful (I don't know any of these but remember the infamous electro-shock therapy episodes), and perhaps others.

These studies will be generated to show LDS have healthy lives because the follow the counsel of their leaders.

[RC Vikings]

I just want to say I'm a lot more comfortable when clack posts about golf and waup posts about Central America.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Apparently, these threads bring out the worst in us.

No. Just some of us.

Although, I unwittingly stepped on toes here, my concern is more for those who might be impacted by cultural vestiges arising out of our more puritanical strains. Apparently, many here in authority do not believe those are real concerns.

That's nonsense.

The studies are sparse and difficult to determine how credible they are. One might automatically suspect the credibility of any study generated by BYU to support the official "Church" position. That doesn't mean the position is always wrong either.

And yet it successfully completed a formal peer-review process. I am sure the journal editors and reviewers were fully aware of the potential for bias. Why don't you go to the actual study and conclusions and tell us what is wrong with the study rather than apply a superficial rejection of the study at face value?

[Viking]

My final thought as I'm done here.

I just don't see Celestial Beings gnawing at each others genitals. Sorry. And just because I'm still in this telestial existence, I don't think it's a free pass to act to my lowest base desires. I aspire to greater things than dirty sex. I'm waiting for the Millennium when I can take my game up a notch.

cc. President Monson.

Gnawing? Wtf, man? That's not oral sex, that's oral catastrophe!

[Viking]

I'm not sure when The Topper became simply Topper, and I don't know who he is, but it seems like others here do and discussing one's ex is a bit gauche, under the circumstances, no?

Topper, I was gently ribbing you earlier. (maybe you could use some gentle ribbing, is my guess?)

[Donuthole]

What is the official church position?

Missionary

[RC Vikings]

What is the official church position?

Missionary

That's to easy. Let's try and pick it up a little.

[ERCougar]

This is just a complicated topic. The Church oversimplifies it on one side, this author oversimplifies it on the other. If anything, the evidence supports the church, although it's very correlational and poor. Common sense supports the author somewhat, but not completely.

What I plan to teach my kids:
-Sex can be a very powerful experience, and thus really rewarding or really damaging. Be careful and judicious.
-Sex is just one of a whole series of issues you're going to have to negotiate with your partner. There's no amount of preplanning or trying it out that is going to eliminate these negotiations, either in the sex arena or in the parenting or finance or toilet seat position arena. So marry someone who's flexible. That can come in handy in sex too.
-Treat people well.

[Donuthole]

toilet seat position

Is that the official TripletDaddy position?

[ERCougar]

Is that the official TripletDaddy position?

lol. "icky".

[RC Vikings]

Is that the official TripletDaddy position?

That's more like it.

[Topper]

And yet it successfully completed a formal peer-review process. I am sure the journal editors and reviewers were fully aware of the potential for bias. Why don't you go to the actual study and conclusions and tell us what is wrong with the study rather than apply a superficial rejection of the study at face value?

You know as well as I that passing peer review especially on a topic as low grade as that is a first step but not the end all be all of guaranteeing legitimacy.

Do you have the study so I can dissect it? You merely linked the SLTrib article. I can already see some potential holes in construction but without the study itself, I can't be sure.

How reliable is a study relying upon completion through the internet? That's not my complaint but an inquiry.

Reading the actual study is important to see how far the journalist extrapolated from the author's actual conclusions.

Here is one weakness of the study:

Establishing causal relationships generally requires randomized samples and a longitudinal view, which tracks subjects over time. In contrast, the BYU study subjects were partly self-selected by those who chose to take the survey. Randomly assigning research subjects to specific treatment groups, as scientists often do in biomedical research, is not an option for the BYU team.

I would like to review contrary articles because this one doesn't make sense.

"It is clear that the longer a couple waited to become sexually involved the better their sexual quality, relationship communication, relationship satisfaction, and perceived relationship stability was in marriage, even when controlling for a variety of other variables such as the number of sexual partners, education, religiosity, and relationship length," they wrote.

[Topper]

I'm not sure when The Topper became simply Topper, and I don't know who he is, but it seems like others here do and discussing one's ex is a bit gauche, under the circumstances, no?

Topper, I was gently ribbing you earlier. (maybe you could use some gentle ribbing, is my guess?)

My needs are accounted for and any personal insertions were for discussion, were simplified to stimulate discussion and do not reflect current realities.