Two new lawsuits in Utah

[Jeff Lebowski]

This one is directed at the BSA due to a lightning strike at the scout camp in Scofield. Doesn't seem like a particularly strong case, but I could be wrong. Thoughts?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...f-America.html

This one is directed towards the LDS church and several YM leaders for a drowning death near St. George. Looks like a terrible lapse in judgment by the YM leader. Look for a new letter from SLC banning boating activities.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ing-death.html

[Indy Coug]

Before too long, the only activities BSA will allow, due to liability concerns, is video games that don't involve motion controls.

[pellegrino]

we are a litigious society.

[Surfah]

This one is directed at the BSA due to a lightning strike at the scout camp in Scofield. Doesn't seem like a particularly strong case, but I could be wrong. Thoughts?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...f-America.html

This one is directed towards the LDS church and several YM leaders for a drowning death near St. George. Looks like a terrible lapse in judgment by the YM leader. Look for a new letter from SLC banning boating activities.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ing-death.html

Was the second one church sponsored?

[pellegrino]

Was the second one church sponsored?

I believe it was.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Was the second one church sponsored?

Sounds like it was a priest quorum activity.

[smokymountainrain]

Before too long, the only activities BSA will allow, due to liability concerns, is video games that don't involve motion controls.

As long as they just ban camping with scouts, I'll be fine with it.

[Donuthole]

Was the second one church sponsored?

Sounds like that was your typical ward-sponsored activity (i.e. we don't have time or haven't taken the steps to get a BSA tour permit, so we'll call this a ward activity and just get the church-authorized permission slips from the boys).

[Non Sequitur]

The article says there was indoor shelter 100 feet away. What in the heck were those kids doing on high ground during that storm? If it were my kid that died, I'd be looking for answers.

[Uncle Ted]

This one is directed towards the LDS church and several YM leaders for a drowning death near St. George. Looks like a terrible lapse in judgment by the YM leader. Look for a new letter from SLC banning boating activities.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ing-death.html

So the adult leader dropped off the boy 50 feet from shore to have him swim alone, without a flotation device, and left before making sure he made it. Terrible lapse in judgement is an under statement.

Jones is asking for a minimum of $75,000 for wrongful death, physical pain and suffering, emotional distress, negligence and failure to warn. The complaint states that Sorenson, as church-appointed leader, should have known "he had a duty to warn, instruct, supervise, monitor the youth group including Tory."

Hmm... $75K (min) for wrongful death? The church should just quickly settle this one out of court.

[byu71]

This one is directed at the BSA due to a lightning strike at the scout camp in Scofield. Doesn't seem like a particularly strong case, but I could be wrong. Thoughts?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...f-America.html

This one is directed towards the LDS church and several YM leaders for a drowning death near St. George. Looks like a terrible lapse in judgment by the YM leader. Look for a new letter from SLC banning boating activities.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ing-death.html

Very sad occurances.

The possible banning of activities reminds me of the mission field.

While I was on my mission, the Mission President was inspired to ban:

1) Touch football, which always turned to tackle. I had serious doubts about that one being inspired because I participated in the game where an Elder lost two front teeth and the ban came 3 days later.

2) Motorcyle riding & horseback riding also became casualties of inspiration. It was a coincedence the inspiration came after accidents involving these activities.

[SeattleUte]

So the adult leader dropped off the boy 50 feet from shore to have him swim alone, without a flotation device, and left before making sure he made it. Terrible lapse in judgement is an under statement.



Hmm... $75K (min) for wrongful death? The church should just quickly settle this one out of court.

50 yards.

[Uncle Ted]

This one is directed at the BSA due to a lightning strike at the scout camp in Scofield. Doesn't seem like a particularly strong case, but I could be wrong. Thoughts?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...f-America.html

Apparently it was a bad day for the Utah BSA...

David was one of two Boy Scouts who died in Utah on that day. In a separate incident, David Christopher Tuvell, 12, of Las Vegas, died while participating in a SCUBA event at the Bear Lake Aquatics Base in northern Utah.

Tuvell's family filed a wrongful death suit against the Boy Scouts in July, claiming inadequate training and defective equipment.

This will add more fuel to non-LDS scouters down here to their argument of how unsafe the LDS scouters are. They already require that LDS scout troops bring their own (self) insurance to the scout camps (a letter from the church they are liable). The next thing you know they will start requiring that LDS troops be bonded.

[TexTechCoug]

Nothing soothes the wounded soul like litigation.

[Paperback Writer]

Apparently it was a bad day for the Utah BSA...

This will add more fuel to non-LDS scouters down here to their argument of how unsafe the LDS scouters are. They already require that LDS scout troops bring their own (self) insurance to the scout camps (a letter from the church they are liable). The next thing you know they will start requiring that LDS troops be bonded.

Or have adequate leadership on hand. That's the difference I've seen between LDS and non-LDS troops - assigned (called) versus volunteers. I understand why many grown men don't like to camp. What I don't understand is why they trust the lives of their sons to other adults who have the misfortune of being assigned to camp. In the non-LDS world of scouting usually there are more volunteers than necessary (sometimes adults are turned away). And yes, I just came from a ward (in a new ward now) where there where a lot of YM who loved to camp and an abundance of fathers who refused to camp (because it wasn't their calling).