Coffee Drinkers Die Less? WoW Implications

[SeattleUte]

Whether the "thou shalt not" items extend longevity or not is besides the point.

Right. The point is control, oppression.

[SeattleUte]

I won't take this story seriously until the Deseret News picks it up.

For most of my life the DesNews was indubitably the best paper in Utah. I guess if the Wash Post can fall so can the DesNews.

[FMCoug]

Right. The point is control, oppression.

Is this how you feel about the commandments against things like murder or adultery too?

[Harry Tic]

Right. The point is control, oppression.

You assume too much malice and forethought. There are other explanations that are not only more charitable but more historically plausible.

The reason the ban on coffee and tea continues is, IMO, good ol' fashioned institutional inertia. It's too bad because I think that the work would be easier in some areas if we recognized that foregoing tea and coffee can carry a very high social price out of all proportion to its religious significance. In the western U.S. the cost for adhering to that part of the code is relatively low, so it's unlikely that many church authorities view it as a pressing issue.

[SeattleUte]

Is this how you feel about the commandments against things like murder or adultery too?

Indy's point is that you do what LDS Church leaders tell you to do even if it's nonsense. Is that why you don't commit murder or adultery, because the "commandments" tell you not to?

[SeattleUte]

You assume too much malice and forethought. There are other explanations that are not only more charitable but more historically plausible.

The reason the ban on coffee and tea continues is, IMO, good ol' fashioned institutional inertia. It's too bad because I think that the work would be easier in some areas if we recognized that foregoing tea and coffee can carry a very high social price out of all proportion to its religious significance. In the western U.S. the cost for adhering to that part of the code is relatively low, so it's unlikely that many church authorities view it as a pressing issue.

I was giving you my interpretation of Indy's gloss on the Word of Wisdom. I think just doing something because your church tells you to do it is kind of a waste of your life.

[Indy Coug]

Right. The point is control, oppression.

Especially oppression.

[YOhio]

For most of my life the DesNews was indubitably the best paper in Utah. I guess if the Wash Post can fall so can the DesNews.

I can see it now. BezNews.

[UVACoug]

I'm interested in hearing the LDS response to this...Coffee Drinking...when adjusted for smoking abuse, had an inverse association with risk of death. The hazard ratio became more significant the greater amount of coffee ingested.

NEJM Coffee Drinkers

I think the etoh ban in the church is questionable, but OK. Smoking ban is right on and a great decision. Coffee ban is purely cultural interpretation and should absolutely be reconsidered if further prospective RCT research validates this cohort study. Everytime physicians ask me why I don't drink coffee I give the same answer and it just makes our religion seem rediculous. This is my opinion; I'm curious to hear others' opinions on here about this.

We are basing tennets of our religion upon beliefs from Church leaders from 100 years ago and medical knowledge at the time, when physicians caused more harm than good. Time to move forward on this issue.

I don't base the tennets of my religion on beliefs from Church leaders from 100 years ago ... and doesn't everyone die at some point? I would really like to read the study that says that people that drink coffee die less. That would truly be a miracle.

[UVACoug]

the wow question will be gone from the tr interview by 2020 and it will be due to green tea.

I always love your predictions. They remind me not to take anything I read here seriously.