Is unbelief curable?

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  • MarkGrace
    Grooveshark dick tease
    • Dec 2008
    • 31546

    #16
    Originally posted by mUUser View Post
    Would Hopfrog fit this description? Only he could answer that, I suppose.
    Based on what I remember him saying, I think so. But only he could answer for certain.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    • Uncle Ted
      The Big 12 money shot.
      • Apr 2010
      • 28853

      #17
      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
      I've never known any mature unbeliever who once believed and returned to his belief. Is that possible? Electroshock treatments? I know plenty of believers who stopped believing. It's telling, isn't it.
      I don't believe so but I am often proven wrong. Let me know.
      "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
      "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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      • Utah ma'am am I
        Junior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 69

        #18
        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
        I've never known any mature unbeliever who once believed and returned to his belief. Is that possible? Electroshock treatments? I know plenty of believers who stopped believing. It's telling, isn't it.
        I think that believing or not believing something is a choice we can make, so yes, an unbeliever who once believed could return to belief.

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        • Paperback Writer
          Signature won a Pulitzer
          • Nov 2010
          • 5211

          #19
          I have an extended family member who might fit this description. Left the church while in college and transferred from BYU. Before we met prior to marrying into the family, I was specifically asked not to bring up the church with this person. But this person brought up their LDS church issues with me and detailed their journey from believing LDS to unbelief. Rather than an argument that many feared would occur, it remained a good discussion.

          About three years later this same person married in the temple. And this person was stronger in the church than the other person in the marriage. Today, this person is more devot LDS than me.

          However, I'm not sure how resolute this person was in their unbelief. Sometimes a person can still believe but opts for a non-LDS lifestyle and professes unbelief. Similar to a person who really doesn't believe but professes belief to please spouse or family.
          “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
          "All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel

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          • SeattleUte
            Faith crisis consultant
            • Nov 2008
            • 20837

            #20
            Originally posted by Utah ma'am am I View Post
            I think that believing or not believing something is a choice we can make, so yes, an unbeliever who once believed could return to belief.
            Unbelief is not a choice.
            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

            --Jonathan Swift

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            • ERCougar
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 10978

              #21
              Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
              Unbelief is not a choice.
              I dont believe you.
              At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
              -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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              • LA Ute
                Receiver of Memory
                • Nov 2008
                • 19512

                #22
                Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                Unbelief is not a choice.
                Now this is a novel proposition!
                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                ― W.H. Auden


                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                • LA Ute
                  Receiver of Memory
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19512

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                  About three years later this same person married in the temple. And this person was stronger in the church than the other person in the marriage. Today, this person is more devout LDS than me.

                  However, I'm not sure how resolute this person was in their unbelief. Sometimes a person can still believe but opts for a non-LDS lifestyle and professes unbelief. Similar to a person who really doesn't believe but professes belief to please spouse or family.
                  Brings to mind the Auden quote in my signature line.
                  “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                  ― W.H. Auden


                  "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                  -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                  "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                  --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                  • risicam
                    BYU loving Realtor
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 144

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                    As long as there's a desire to believe, if Alma can be trusted.
                    I'm going to go with Alma CAN be trusted...

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                    • lambdacoug
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 3981

                      #25
                      Originally posted by risicam View Post
                      I'm going to go with Alma CAN be trusted...
                      I have a good friend that is direct evidence against that passage. He was in the Catholic seminary and wishes the comfortable beliefs taught him were true. He mourns the loss of his belief to this day, but he can't deny what he learned and what brought about his unbelief. Which goes back to what SU mentioned about unbelief not being a choice.

                      Yes, its anecdotal and all, but still...
                      Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
                      - Howard Aiken

                      Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
                      - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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                      • RobinFinderson
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10548

                        #26
                        Originally posted by risicam View Post
                        I'm going to go with Alma CAN be trusted...
                        But can Joseph Smith be trusted? Knowing what you know today, would you feel comfortable trusting Joseph Smith around your attractive 16yo daughter?

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                        • marsupial
                          Mississippi Queen
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 3678

                          #27
                          Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
                          I don't think you can go back to being a "true believer."

                          But unbelief is curable in the sense that occasionally people abandon and then come back to organized religion, believing in a different way than before they left.
                          This.
                          What's to explain? It's a bunch of people, most of whom you've never met, who are just as likely to be homicidal maniacs as they are to be normal everyday people, with whom you share the minutiae of your everyday life. It's totally normal, and everyone would understand.
                          -Teenage Dirtbag

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                          • LA Ute
                            Receiver of Memory
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19512

                            #28
                            Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
                            I don't think you can go back to being a "true believer."

                            But unbelief is curable in the sense that occasionally people abandon and then come back to organized religion, believing in a different way than before they left.
                            It is possible (maybe even essential) to believe continuously, but to believe in a different way than one did earlier in one's life. That's how it has been for me, and I think for perhaps the great majority of believers. Beliefs, and one's faith, do mature and develop.

                            Besides, I don't think it makes sense to talk about "curing" unbelief. It's not a pathology. (I recognize that SU is the one who started using that language in this thread.)
                            Last edited by LA Ute; 05-14-2012, 03:53 PM.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden


                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • smokymountainrain
                              Impressive Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 22593

                              #29
                              Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                              I dont believe you.
                              I too have chosen not to believe SU. Therefore unbelief most certainly is a choice.
                              I'm like LeBron James.
                              -mpfunk

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                              • Utah ma'am am I
                                Junior Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 69

                                #30
                                Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                                Unbelief is not a choice.
                                Why not?

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