I had a disheartening religious epiphany today...

[SeattleUte]

It's a McConkie quote.

This McConkie statement is thoroughly offensive, even barbarous, from beginning to end. But that's a discussion for another day.

[Tex]

You said you criticize speculation when it leads to conclusions that actually affect people's faith (for example, blacks in the pre-existence, the Catholic Church as the great and abominable, etc.). What are your criticisms of these speculations, specifically? I assume you, like the Church, do not endorse such viewpoints, of course.

I said I criticize conclusions so absurd, as in "God might have been an overweight welfare recipient with bad breath." That's just one example. This thread has about 30.

Truly, the more interesting subtext of the discussion (that's gone completely uncommented on) is an evidently poor understanding of the atonement.

PS. I do thank you for bring up the blacks and the pre-existence, though. No visit to the Foyer can be complete without someone banging that tired piano key a few times.

[TripletDaddy]

I said I criticize conclusions so absurd, as in "God might have been an overweight welfare recipient with bad breath." That's just one example. This thread has about 30.

I get it. What you are saying is that speculation that black people have dark skin as a result of disobedience and that the Catholic Church is the great whore of the Earth is NOT absurd, but, rather, rational and sound. That surprises me given that the Church has denounced such reasoning.

[Tex]

I get it.

Certainly not.

[RobinFinderson]

I get it. What you are saying is that speculation that black people have dark skin as a result of disobedience and that the Catholic Church is the great whore of the Earth is NOT absurd, but, rather, rational and sound. That surprises me given that the Church has denounced such reasoning.

You DON'T get it. He is saying that speculating that "God might have been an overweight welfare recipient with bad breath" is the kind of thing that would shake a serious believer's faith.

[wuapinmon]

I swear Jacob and Tex are the same person.

[Tex]

You DON'T get it. He is saying that speculating that "God might have been an overweight welfare recipient with bad breath" is the kind of thing that would shake a serious believer's faith.

Not a serious believer.

I swear Jacob and Tex are the same person.

"Well that's because you're an idiot."