Gay and Mormon: BYU hosted panel for gay BYU students

[creekster]

I'm confused by what you are saying. What exactly would that look like?

Try harder. I think you can understand with a little effort.

[DU Ute]

This panel wasn't a big deal. BYU doesn't have a problem. It's all just a ploy to get us to accept this behavior.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=8474192

I think many LGBT groups use campaigns against hateful behavior to spread acceptance, not just tolerance, of their behavior. Does anyone really think there was gay bashing going on or ostracization of gays at BYU outside of one or two isolated incidents every couple years? I doubt it. I went to BYU for a while and was amazed at how many guys there were who I thought were probably gay and no one said anything about it. The myth that we're a "gay unfriendly" campus is ridiculous. If that movie is correct and we really have 1800 LBGT students we're VERY gay friendly. But back to my original point, if there's not really much hateful behavior towards gays to speak of, then why was the movie made? They want the general population to continue moving closer towards full fledged acceptance and condoning their behavior.

[UtahDan]

Try harder. I think you can understand with a little effort.

Go back to yanking on tigers ears.

[TexTechCoug]

I'm glad that the Church is finding a better way to deal with homosexuality. That being said the idea that the Church could or would somehow allow for and condone homosexual activity and marriages for active members is a pipe dream.

The doctrine is too clearly defined and the shift would require that members accept that either leaders in the past or in the present were not following God's direction (yes, I do think this is a distinctly different situation than polygamy or blacks and the priesthood.)

To change would be to openly admit the total absence of divine guidance.

[scottie]

I'm glad that the Church is finding a better way to deal with homosexuality. That being said the idea that the Church could or would somehow allow for and condone homosexual activity and marriages for active members is a pipe dream.

The doctrine is too clearly defined and the shift would require that members accept that either leaders in the past or in the present were not following God's direction (yes, I do think this is a distinctly different situation than polygamy or blacks and the priesthood.)

To change would be to openly admit the total absence of divine guidance.

Signed, Continuing Revelation.

[TexTechCoug]

Signed, Continuing Revelation.

".....ALL HUMAN BEINGS—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

....We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife...."

Hard to reveal yourself out of that corner.

[CardiacCoug]

This panel wasn't a big deal. BYU doesn't have a problem. It's all just a ploy to get us to accept this behavior.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=8474192

Yeah BYU was always friendly toward gay people but until 2007 if you were openly gay you got kicked out.

[DU Ute]

".....ALL HUMAN BEINGS—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

....We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife...."

Hard to reveal yourself out of that corner.

God can't command something else?

[scottie]

".....ALL HUMAN BEINGS—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

....We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife...."

Hard to reveal yourself out of that corner.

"corner", LOL. It's quite easy -- a TSM statement at GC; done.

[TexTechCoug]

God can't command something else?

Seems like an extreme stretch for God to declare something new and different about an eternal principle. "God has decided that what he said earlier about x has changed because He has changed his mind."

[TexTechCoug]

"corner", LOL. It's quite easy -- a TSM statement at GC; done.

It has been revealed that God was kidding about the structure of the family, procreation, and sexual sin, done.

[CardiacCoug]

Seems like an extreme stretch for God to declare something new and different about an eternal principle. "God has decided that what he said earlier about x has changed because He has changed his mind."

You act like nothing has ever changed in the LDS Church.

We probably would barely recognize the LDS Church the way it will look a hundred years from now.

[scottie]

It has been revealed that God was kidding about the structure of the family, procreation, and sexual sin, done.

Signed, polygamy.

[TexTechCoug]

You act like nothing has ever changed in the LDS Church.

We probably would barely recognize the LDS Church the way it will look a hundred years from now.

The Church has certainly changed, but this would be a doozy.

I still subscribe to the Church being true, but I would have to call it quits with this one, not because I don't want to go to Church with gays, but because I just couldn't swallow that God could take such disparate views on the same principle.

Pick any Church principle and make a similar change and I would feel the same, what if the Church came out and said marriage wasn't necessary or that the Book of Mormon was not inspired.

[TexTechCoug]

Signed, polygamy.

Maybe this one would be personally harder to swallow because it is my era. Even polygamy is easier to explain in terms in both a doctrinal and historical context. I