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Are you an "It's either all true or all false" Mormon?
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"It" is whatever narrowly constructed parameters you can come up with so that when someone answers "Yes", they can spring a bevy of gotchas on them.Last edited by Indy Coug; 04-15-2009, 06:32 AM.
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Objection. The question is vague and ambiguous.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I'm going all in.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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It's going to be great laughing and pointing at all the "no" voters as I sit in my Celestial Glory.Originally posted by byu71 View PostI didn't know seperating the wheat from the chaff was as easy as taking a poll.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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I voted "NAM" because I thought we were supposed to be shying away from the use of "Mormon."Fitter. Happier. More Productive.
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A couple of points.Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostI voted "NAM" because I thought we were supposed to be shying away from the use of "Mormon."
1) You're a Mormon
2) As such, you believe:
a) The Book of Mormon is a history book
b) Only Mormons can be truly saved
Stop trying to water it down.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Point of reference for someone who actually knows. Do we believe only Mormons can be saved? I actually thought we believed all men will be saved except for a very few. Am I wrong.Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostA couple of points.
1) You're a Mormon
2) As such, you believe:
a) The Book of Mormon is a history book
b) Only Mormons can be truly saved
Stop trying to water it down.
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Define "saved".Originally posted by byu71 View PostPoint of reference for someone who actually knows. Do we believe only Mormons can be saved? I actually thought we believed all men will be saved except for a very few. Am I wrong.
We are currently taught that one needs all of the saving ordinances in order to receive exaltation. If you can receive those outside the confines of the LDS church, then to that extent you don't need to be a Mormon to be saved.
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Resurrected and not confined to hell. Please don't ask me then to define hell and resurrected.Originally posted by Indy Coug View PostDefine "saved".
We are currently taught that one needs all of the saving ordinances in order to receive exaltation. If you can receive those outside the confines of the LDS church, then to that extent you don't need to be a Mormon to be saved.
In my opinion, all mankind is saved, not exalted.
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I like to put it this way: We believe those who don't accept what we consider to be the ordinanances of exaltation (baptism, gift of the Holy Ghost, Melchizedek Priesthood for men, temple endowment and celestial marriage) but who live good honorable lives will be happy in the hereafter. In other words, for example, my Evangelical Christian friends whom the Lord judges to have been good and "honorable men of the earth" will get pretty much what they profess to want and expect in the hereafter. They won't be exalted and won't fulfill their full potential, but they'll be eternally happy. In fact, I think that except for those poor sons of perdition, once everyone has paid the price for their sins, whatver level of eternal reward they get, they'll be happy. Not happiest, but happy. All things considered it's a pretty doggone generous plan. Just my view.Originally posted by byu71 View PostPoint of reference for someone who actually knows. Do we believe only Mormons can be saved? I actually thought we believed all men will be saved except for a very few. Am I wrong.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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And why I tell the few Baptists I have let into my home and they push me on the fact that I haven't accepted Christ and believe that we are saved without works, I tell them they are full of crap.Originally posted by LA Ute View PostI like to put it this way: We believe those who don't accept what we consider to be the ordinanances of exaltation (baptism, gift of the Holy Ghost, Melchizedek Priesthood for men, temple endowment and celestial marriage) but who live good honorable lives will be happy in the hereafter. In other words, for example, my Evangelical Christian friends whom the Lord judges to have been good and "honorable men of the earth" will get pretty much what they profess to want and expect in the hereafter. They won't be exalted and won't fulfill their full potential, but they'll be eternally happy. In fact, I think that except for those poor sons of perdition, once everyone has paid the price for their sins, whatver level of eternal reward they get, they'll be happy. Not happiest, but happy. All things considered it's a pretty doggone generous plan. Just my view.
My church teaches all men are saved through Jesus Christ. It is in fact a gift and not received because of our works. What the heck is their gripe?
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