Are you an "It's either all true or all false" Mormon?

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  • scottie
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 5247

    #1

    Are you an "It's either all true or all false" Mormon?

    (poll)
    38
    Yes
    18.42%
    7
    No
    73.68%
    28
    NAM (Not a Mormon)
    7.89%
    3
  • cowboy
    Homer Weems
    • Dec 2008
    • 5740

    #2
    What is "It?" Is "it" the official doctrine, or everything that the general authorities have ever said?
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    "Outlined against a blue, gray
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    • Indy Coug
      Heartless Bastard
      • Dec 2008
      • 18747

      #3
      "It" is whatever narrowly constructed parameters you can come up with so that when someone answers "Yes", they can spring a bevy of gotchas on them.
      Last edited by Indy Coug; 04-15-2009, 06:32 AM.
      Everything in life is an approximation.

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      • LA Ute
        Receiver of Memory
        • Nov 2008
        • 19512

        #4
        Objection. The question is vague and ambiguous.
        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
        ― W.H. Auden


        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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        • Surfah
          Where's Wallace?
          • Nov 2008
          • 33726

          #5
          Agreed with all of the above posters so I refrained from voting.
          "Nobody listens to Turtle."
          -Turtle
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          • myboynoah
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 21719

            #6
            I'm going all in.
            Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

            For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

            Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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            • byu71
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 22070

              #7
              I didn't know seperating the wheat from the chaff was as easy as taking a poll.

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              • myboynoah
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 21719

                #8
                Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                I didn't know seperating the wheat from the chaff was as easy as taking a poll.
                It's going to be great laughing and pointing at all the "no" voters as I sit in my Celestial Glory.
                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                • TripletDaddy
                  sweet triple
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 58186

                  #9
                  I voted "NAM" because I thought we were supposed to be shying away from the use of "Mormon."
                  Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                  • SeattleUte
                    Faith crisis consultant
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 20837

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                    I voted "NAM" because I thought we were supposed to be shying away from the use of "Mormon."
                    A couple of points.

                    1) You're a Mormon

                    2) As such, you believe:

                    a) The Book of Mormon is a history book

                    b) Only Mormons can be truly saved

                    Stop trying to water it down.
                    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                    --Jonathan Swift

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                    • byu71
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 22070

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                      A couple of points.

                      1) You're a Mormon

                      2) As such, you believe:

                      a) The Book of Mormon is a history book

                      b) Only Mormons can be truly saved

                      Stop trying to water it down.
                      Point of reference for someone who actually knows. Do we believe only Mormons can be saved? I actually thought we believed all men will be saved except for a very few. Am I wrong.

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                      • Indy Coug
                        Heartless Bastard
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 18747

                        #12
                        Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                        Point of reference for someone who actually knows. Do we believe only Mormons can be saved? I actually thought we believed all men will be saved except for a very few. Am I wrong.
                        Define "saved".

                        We are currently taught that one needs all of the saving ordinances in order to receive exaltation. If you can receive those outside the confines of the LDS church, then to that extent you don't need to be a Mormon to be saved.
                        Everything in life is an approximation.

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                        • byu71
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 22070

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                          Define "saved".

                          We are currently taught that one needs all of the saving ordinances in order to receive exaltation. If you can receive those outside the confines of the LDS church, then to that extent you don't need to be a Mormon to be saved.
                          Resurrected and not confined to hell. Please don't ask me then to define hell and resurrected.

                          In my opinion, all mankind is saved, not exalted.

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                          • LA Ute
                            Receiver of Memory
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19512

                            #14
                            Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                            Point of reference for someone who actually knows. Do we believe only Mormons can be saved? I actually thought we believed all men will be saved except for a very few. Am I wrong.
                            I like to put it this way: We believe those who don't accept what we consider to be the ordinanances of exaltation (baptism, gift of the Holy Ghost, Melchizedek Priesthood for men, temple endowment and celestial marriage) but who live good honorable lives will be happy in the hereafter. In other words, for example, my Evangelical Christian friends whom the Lord judges to have been good and "honorable men of the earth" will get pretty much what they profess to want and expect in the hereafter. They won't be exalted and won't fulfill their full potential, but they'll be eternally happy. In fact, I think that except for those poor sons of perdition, once everyone has paid the price for their sins, whatver level of eternal reward they get, they'll be happy. Not happiest, but happy. All things considered it's a pretty doggone generous plan. Just my view.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden


                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • byu71
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 22070

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                              I like to put it this way: We believe those who don't accept what we consider to be the ordinanances of exaltation (baptism, gift of the Holy Ghost, Melchizedek Priesthood for men, temple endowment and celestial marriage) but who live good honorable lives will be happy in the hereafter. In other words, for example, my Evangelical Christian friends whom the Lord judges to have been good and "honorable men of the earth" will get pretty much what they profess to want and expect in the hereafter. They won't be exalted and won't fulfill their full potential, but they'll be eternally happy. In fact, I think that except for those poor sons of perdition, once everyone has paid the price for their sins, whatver level of eternal reward they get, they'll be happy. Not happiest, but happy. All things considered it's a pretty doggone generous plan. Just my view.
                              And why I tell the few Baptists I have let into my home and they push me on the fact that I haven't accepted Christ and believe that we are saved without works, I tell them they are full of crap.

                              My church teaches all men are saved through Jesus Christ. It is in fact a gift and not received because of our works. What the heck is their gripe?

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