Randy Bott and the Priesthood Ban

[Moliere]

Is anyone gaining any new insights or information in this thread? Serious question.

I just learned taht Jay is biased against GAAP

[Non Sequitur]

The "We don't know" explanation is the least worst option. (The PR guys in the COB aren't idiots. They know there's a theological, marketing and political - with Romney - component that makes it a delicate situation.)

It's ridiculous, it's offensive, it's certainly deception, but the alternative is to reveal that God chose hard core bigots as His authorized leaders on earth, which a much wider audience would vociferously reject out of hand.

I think yesterday's statement is a victory for black Mormons, without a doubt. American blacks have been through all kinds of historical racism, and black Mormons are content to let history slip further away.

For most Mormons there really won't be a second thought on the matter. "All will be revealed", end of inquiry.

To the thinkers, yesterday's statement is problematic, because it reveals modern day deception, and sifting through the issue from multiple angles naturally leads to further questioning on a wider array of issues.

Exactly. I have no idea why people are so up in arms about the Church's response. Their statement was an effective PR move to put out a fire. They're not going to put out that fire by starting an even bigger fire. They threw Bott under bus. That's what they had to do. It would have been dumb of the Church to say anymore than they did.

[Indy Coug]

I just learned taht Jay is biased against GAAP

IFRS kicks GAAP's AAS

[Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

So when DOM prayed about it and was essentially told "not now" by God, what are we to take from that?

Here I can sort of get on board with the By Common Consent post, stating essentially that "if you just want permission to give the priesthood to people you believe to be inferior to yourselves, then the time isn't right." That's a least a plausible explanation. I've always believed (even back in the days of my youth when I thought the ban was straight from the Lord's mouth) that people who were denied the priesthood and other blessings based on the color of their skin wouldn't be denied the fullness of God's blessings in the eternities. In that sense the exact timing of the revocation of the ban wasn't as problematic to me from a gospel perspective, as I have always known that God will sort it all out in the end anyway. The bigger concern for me was this thought: "If we're a church that's led by revelation, and we screwed something up because the church is led by imperfect individuals, why didn't God reveal to us that we had screwed something up?"

[Sleeping in EQ]

Is anyone gaining any new insights or information in this thread? Serious question.

I've learned that when the Church faces serious moral issues, you are sure to show up and put on yet another self-righteous, petty performance of orthodoxy.



Actually, I appreciate the way CUFers are sharing their struggles and insights.

[jay santos]

I just learned taht Jay is biased against GAAP

I have nothing against GAAP. I'm against nerdy accounting talk.

[Moliere]

IFRS kicks GAAP's AAS

Is that why practically no one uses IFRS?

[Flystripper]

Is that why practically no one uses IFRS?

for now...

[Indy Coug]

Is that why practically no one uses IFRS?

Practically no one that doesn't have a European parent, yes.

[Moliere]

Practically no one that doesn't have a European parent, yes.

Even the EU uses a bastardized form of IFRS.

http://www.sec.gov/spotlight/globala...1-practice.pdf

IFRS requires compliance with Interpretations of the IFRS Interpretations Committee and predecessor bodies (“Interpretations”).20 However, like new IFRS standards, Interpretations are not mandatory in all cases on a jurisdictional basis. For example, in the European Union, such interpretations are not required until after they are adopted by the European Commission. The Staff noted that some companies in the European Union adopted Interpretations at dates later than specified by the Interpretations because the latest date that the European Commission required application of the Interpretations was after the effective dates required by the IASB.21 This practice may delay the reductions in diverse accounting practices that the Interpretations are issued to address.

But this is a discussion for another thread....or maybe not even that.

[Flystripper]

Even the EU uses a bastardized form of IFRS.

http://www.sec.gov/spotlight/globala...1-practice.pdf



But this is a discussion for another thread....or maybe not even that.

agreed

[Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

Wow, IFRS talk has now completely derailed a once lively and engaging thread. My contribution to said derailment is that I wrote a 40-page law review note on the legal obstacles to the SEC adopting IFRS in the U.S.

[SteelBlue]

So when DOM prayed about it and was essentially told "not now" by God, what are we to take from that?

That it isn't surprising at all. I don't have the book with me at work obviously, but I remember it more as him being unable to get a "yes" versus getting a "not now", not that it matters much. He's the same man who struggled with allowing Ralph Bunche to stay at the hotel Utah eventually deciding on "yes, as long as he takes his meals in his own room". Not shocking to me that he couldn't find a "yes" when it came to the priesthood.

[Pheidippides]

But this is a discussion for another thread....or maybe not even that.

I'm going to go with the not even that answer. You're going to bore all the lurkers/CB visitors away! We need to turn this thread back to what we do best: pontificating on the fallibility of the church from our self-constructed ivory tower while dripping disdain on any who would disagree with us.

[Flystripper]

That it isn't surprising at all. I don't have the book with me at work obviously, but I remember it more as him being unable to get a "yes" versus getting a "not now", not that it matters much. He's the same man who struggled with allowing Ralph Bunche to stay at the hotel Utah eventually deciding on "yes, as long as he takes his meals in his own room". Not shocking to me that he couldn't find a "yes" when it came to the priesthood.

aaaaaaand we are back on track! Thanks SteelBlue!