MoSto podcast Denver Snuffer: non-polygamist fundamentalist

[LeedsCougar]

Hey, you forgot all the fake Limey words and phrases.

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[Uncle Ted]

I was thinking about this whole the a little bit more last night and had an interesting thought. Bruce R. McConkie published a book called "Mormon Doctrine" that has more than a good amount of opinion. In fact, President McKay wanted the book taken out of publication:

"We [the First Presidency of the Church] decided that Bruce R. McConkie’s book, ‘Mormon Doctrine’ recently published by Bookcraft Company, must not be re-published, as it is full of errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation. It is reported to us that Brother McConkie has made corrections to his book, and is now preparing another edition. We decided this morning that we do not want him to publish another edition."[2]

In a conversation with Joseph Fielding Smith he said about the book...

[McKay] then said: "Now, Brother Smith, he is a General Authority, and we do not want to give him a public rebuke that would be embarrassing to him and lessen his influence with the members of the Church, so we shall speak to the Twelve at our meeting in the temple tomorrow, and tell them that Brother McConkie's book is not approved as an authoritative book, and that it should not be republished, even if the errors...are corrected." Brother Smith agreed with this suggestion to report to the Twelve, and said, "That is the best thing to do."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Doctrine_(book)

Of course, McConkie kept at it and came out with another edition. It then took it up with McKay who wasn't in great health at the time...

…McConkie audaciously approached McKay six years later and pushed for publication of the book in a revised form… McKay, age ninety-two and in failing health, did not take the matter up with his counselors or the Quorum of the Twelve. Rather, he said that "should the book be re-published at this time," McConkie would be responsible for it and "that it will not be a Church publication." Three days after meeting with McKay, McConkie wrote in a memo to Clare Middlemiss, McKay's secretary, "President McKay indicated that the book should be republished at this time.[4]

Of course, another reversion of the book was made in 1978 when the priesthood ban was lifted to remove all the racist comments and "doctrine".

In short, a good amount of Mormon Doctrine was opinion. While I have not read Snuffer's book it seems it has a lot of opinion as well.

[pellegrino]

I was thinking about this whole the a little bit more last night and had an interesting thought. Bruce R. McConkie published a book called "Mormon Doctrine" that has more than a good amount of opinion. In fact, President McKay wanted the book taken out of publication:



In a conversation with Joseph Fielding Smith he said about the book...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Doctrine_(book)

Of course, McConkie kept at it and came out with another edition. It then took it up with McKay who wasn't in great health at the time...


Of course, another reversion of the book was made in 1978 when the priesthood ban was lifted to remove all the racist comments and "doctrine".

In short, a good amount of Mormon Doctrine was opinion. While I have not read Snuffer's book it seems it has a lot of opinion as well.

The big difference is that McConkie was of royal lineage and married into the Smith family. Snuffer is a convert, has zero pedigree in the church and was not a general authority when he published his book. Plus, he has a weird name (Ok, so McConkie is kind of weird too, but I think you get the drift).

[Northwestcoug]

I was thinking about this whole the a little bit more last night and had an interesting thought. Bruce R. McConkie published a book called "Mormon Doctrine" that has more than a good amount of opinion. In fact, President McKay wanted the book taken out of publication:



In a conversation with Joseph Fielding Smith he said about the book...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Doctrine_(book)

Of course, McConkie kept at it and came out with another edition. It then took it up with McKay who wasn't in great health at the time...


Of course, another reversion of the book was made in 1978 when the priesthood ban was lifted to remove all the racist comments and "doctrine".

In short, a good amount of Mormon Doctrine was opinion. While I have not read Snuffer's book it seems it has a lot of opinion as well.

Ah, but does Snuffer have the divine authority to publish crackpot opinions???

[Indy Coug]

The big difference is that McConkie was of royal lineage and married into the Smith family. Snuffer is a convert, has zero pedigree in the church and was not a general authority when he published his book. Plus, he has a weird name (Ok, so McConkie is kind of weird too, but I think you get the drift).

No, the big difference is that McConkie didn't try to set at naught 150+ years of church leadership.

[Jeff Lebowski]

No, the big difference is that McConkie didn't try to set at naught 150+ years of church leadership.

Set at naught? Seems like a gross exaggeration from what I have read.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

No, the big difference is that McConkie didn't try to set at naught 150+ years of church leadership.

Set at naught? Does this count as my daily scripture reading?


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[Indy Coug]

Set at naught? Does this count as my daily scripture reading?


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It did for me.

[Topper]

He could be doing it to publicly embarrass his stake president, who works for a quality company that some people demonize to the point of comedic obsessiveness.

A quality company? I was with you until you wrote that.

I believe he was excommunicated for fear of a cult of personality. But Nuskin a quality company?

[Topper]

That is an interesting thought.



Yeah, I would have to agree with your conclusions.

While I don't know him, for the most part Snuffer seems like a rational guy. Maybe his law practice isn't going so well and he need some extra cash on the side so he wrote a few books. However, I am guessing talking about how he had lunch with Jesus isn't going to help get more clients. So what exactly is his motive?

Ignore him, don't call him to high callings and he would have faded away.

[Topper]

No, the big difference is that McConkie didn't try to set at naught 150+ years of church leadership.

So you think McConkie's pedigree and relationship had no bearing on him not being reprimanded and cast out?

[Indy Coug]

So you think McConkie's pedigree and relationship had no bearing on him not being reprimanded and cast out?

I think comparing Snuffer and McConkie is completely ridiculous for enough obvious reasons that are completely independent of "pedigree" that I'm amazed this question is even being asked.

[Topper]

I think comparing Snuffer and McConkie is completely ridiculous for enough obvious reasons that are completely independent of "pedigree" that I'm amazed this question is even being asked.

I am not comparing the two, but it seems odd McConkie was told not to publish his opinion and he continued to do so. The reason that makes most sense why he was not humiliated, was to avoid a scene and because McConkie had pedigree.

McConkie got away with a lot of BS, more than others would usually escape with.

[falafel]

I am not comparing the two, but it seems odd McConkie was told not to publish his opinion and he continued to do so. The reason that makes most sense why he was not humiliated, was to avoid a scene and because McConkie had pedigree.

McConkie got away with a lot of BS, more than others would usually escape with.

I don't know if pedigree was the leading factor here. The man was a member of the Seventy when he first published MD, and a member of the Twelve when he re-published in 1978. Much more difficult to discipline such a high ranking authority. Denver Snuffer was nothing in regards to authority.

[Topper]

I don't know if pedigree was the leading factor here. The man was a member of the Seventy when he first published MD, and a member of the Twelve when he re-published in 1978. Much more difficult to discipline such a high ranking authority. Denver Snuffer was nothing in regards to authority.

He had position and pedigree.
He also wrote a bunch of other stuff, denying BY ever taught Adam-God.