MoSto podcast Denver Snuffer: non-polygamist fundamentalist

[jay santos]

I understand the Snuffer's appeal for those who are devout and know Church history. The LDS Church has changed a lot since JS died. But the change is probably the reason it's still around and (I dare say) thriving in comparison to other denominations who trace their roots to Joseph Smith.

I don't get it. At all. I don't think you have it right. If you know church history, you know it changed plenty before JS died as well. I don't think the attraction is to people who study deeply the history or have any other secular reasoning. It's attractive to extreme fundamentalistic and politically conservative type thinking people. If you think Obama is a sign of the times, if you think modern science and historical understandings are Satan's influence, if you go to the D&C and the Journal of Discourses for the answer to every question, if you compare Democrats to Gadianton Robbers, etc, then Snuffer, Tent City, etc, these guys are going to appeal to you.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I don't get it. At all. I don't think you have it right. If you know church history, you know it changed plenty before JS died as well. I don't think the attraction is to people who study deeply the history or have any other secular reasoning. It's attractive to extreme fundamentalistic and politically conservative type thinking people. If you think Obama is a sign of the times, if you think modern science and historical understandings are Satan's influence, if you go to the D&C and the Journal of Discourses for the answer to every question, if you compare Democrats to Gadianton Robbers, etc, then Snuffer, Tent City, etc, these guys are going to appeal to you.

Exactly!

[Uncle Ted]

I don't get it. At all. I don't think you have it right. If you know church history, you know it changed plenty before JS died as well. I don't think the attraction is to people who study deeply the history or have any other secular reasoning. It's attractive to extreme fundamentalistic and politically conservative type thinking people. If you think Obama is a sign of the times, if you think modern science and historical understandings are Satan's influence, if you go to the D&C and the Journal of Discourses for the answer to every question, if you compare Democrats to Gadianton Robbers, etc, then Snuffer, Tent City, etc, these guys are going to appeal to you.

LOL... I think that has already been established.

So you are saying they don't break some good bread, have some grape juice, and then watch the cowboys play?

[Green Monstah]

These folks believe JS didn't practice polygamy.

I love your assumptions. Yeah, I think we covered Snuffer's denial of JS polygamy early in this thread. I'm talking of the way the church was governed mostly and how spiritual gifts were shared. It seems like a response to the (overreaching?) of correlation for uber faithful, believing members.

[Green Monstah]

I don't get it. At all. I don't think you have it right. If you know church history, you know it changed plenty before JS died as well. I don't think the attraction is to people who study deeply the history or have any other secular reasoning. It's attractive to extreme fundamentalistic and politically conservative type thinking people. If you think Obama is a sign of the times, if you think modern science and historical understandings are Satan's influence, if you go to the D&C and the Journal of Discourses for the answer to every question, if you compare Democrats to Gadianton Robbers, etc, then Snuffer, Tent City, etc, these guys are going to appeal to you.

That's true.

I guess it depends on when they think the church went awry. At any rate, it provides a non-secular avenue to live their religion according to the dictates of their own conscience (need a DH ruling on if I got that word right) without compromising foundational faith tenets.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I love your assumptions. Yeah, I think we covered Snuffer's denial of JS polygamy early in this thread. I'm talking of the way the church was governed mostly and how spiritual gifts were shared. It seems like a response to the (overreaching?) of correlation for uber faithful, believing members.

You love my assumptions?

I have listened to a few interviews with Snuffer and read some of his stuff. I think he is pretty good at sophistry and proof-texting. But I get the appeal for some folks. I think it is the same dynamic that drives the people who are into alternative medicine and doomsday prepping. There is something exhilarating about believing you have figured things out and are more zealous/righteous than your average member.

[Green Monstah]

You love my assumptions?

I have listened to a few interviews with Snuffer and read some of his stuff. I think he is pretty good at sophistry and proof-texting. But I get the appeal for some folks. I think it is the same dynamic that drives the people who are into alternative medicine and doomsday prepping. There is something exhilarating about believing you have figured things out and are more zealous/righteous than your average member.

*sigh*

I'm not attacking your Snuffer cred. I said "church history" and you assumed I was referencing polygamy.

[Jeff Lebowski]

*sigh*

I'm not attacking your Snuffer cred. I said "church history" and you assumed I was referencing polygamy.

Sure, I was just using that as one example. The eye-roller thing was directed at the Snufferites, not you. Relax.

[Green Monstah]

Sure, I was just using that as one example. The eye-roller thing was directed at the Snufferites, not you. Relax.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Can we all just agree that being a Snufferite sounds atrocious and move on.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Can we all just agree that being a Snufferite sounds atrocious and move on.

[Omaha 680]

Can we all just agree that being a Snufferite sounds atrocious and move on.

Only if you agree that being a Mormon is awesome!

[MartyFunkhouser]

Only if you agree that being a Mormon is awesome!

We have no agreement.

This is what happens when I try to be nice and agreeable.

[Omaha 680]

We have no agreement.

This is what happens when I try to be nice and agreeable.

fine. I agree that being a Snufferite would be awful.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Is Snuffer tapping into the same yearnings and impulses that Hugh Nibley did?