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  • #61
    Originally posted by Viking View Post
    I just finished the book. I thought the prop 8 chapter made the entire book a must read for any mormon boy or girl.

    it was good. light; easy; finished it in about 35 minutes of straight reading

    (reading fast is one of my superpowers. I calculated that I read at least 500 pages a day, between company reports, news, etc.)
    No wonder the World Book Encyclopedia was no match for the Vike.
    Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

    "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Shaka View Post
      Geez, that guy's worse than DEP.
      Is that possible?
      Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

      "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
        Is that possible?
        I thought it was until I read the article.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Shaka View Post
          I thought it was until I read the article.
          Who's DEP? Do you mean DCP, Daniel Peterson?

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          • #65
            The comments are interesting. A greater portion of the comments are supportive of Brooks, but some of the anti-Brooks comments are quite vitriolic, reactionary, and defensive. I have to wonder if any of those people have ever read her books or articles, or heard her in an interview.

            Could the pro/con breakdown be representative of the beliefs of the general church membership? I sincerely hope to see church members having a more open and Christ-like acceptance of others than pharasaical pseudo-church spokesmen such as Randy Bott and Ralph Hancock.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by jay santos View Post
              Who's DEP? Do you mean DCP, Daniel Peterson?
              Yes. Sorry about the typo.

              Sent from my Kindle Fire using Tapatalk

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              • #67
                Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                Who's DEP? Do you mean DCP, Daniel Peterson?

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                • #68
                  Quite apart from the content, I couldn't get over Hancock's atrocious writing. The syntax was so jumbled. Each sentence went four different directions before you reached the period. And that guy grades students' writing?

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                  • #69
                    Quite apart from the content, I couldn't get over Hancock's atrocious writing. The syntax was so jumbled. Each sentence went four different directions before you reached the period. And that guy grades students' writing?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Levin View Post
                      Quite apart from the content, I couldn't get over Hancock's atrocious writing. The syntax was so jumbled. Each sentence went four different directions before you reached the period. And that guy grades students' writing?
                      Originally posted by Levin View Post
                      Quite apart from the content, I couldn't get over Hancock's atrocious writing. The syntax was so jumbled. Each sentence went four different directions before you reached the period. And that guy grades students' writing?
                      The content aside, how did you feel about the syntax in Hancock's review?

                      Anxiously awaiting,

                      GM

                      Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

                      "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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                      • #71
                        I think it is interesting to see Meridian colliding with Joanna. Two ends of the Mormon spectrum. I like Joanna Brooks. She is reform minded, which is interesting to me because I have a lot of internal dialog lately about whether I think someone like her has a real shot at reform or whether I think she is actually empowering the status quo through her association with the church. In any event, I have seen enough of her to know that she doesn't care what I, any of you, this Hankcock guy or anyone thinks. It isn't arrogance, it is just a very, very firm internal morality that has few if any external reference points. And she can articulate and apply it pretty flawlessly. A person like that can be dangerous to an institution, Hancock apparently feels that way and is probably right to.

                        I continue to follow her career with interest.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                          I think it is interesting to see Meridian colliding with Joanna. Two ends of the Mormon spectrum. I like Joanna Brooks. She is reform minded, which is interesting to me because I have a lot of internal dialog lately about whether I think someone like her has a real shot at reform or whether I think she is actually empowering the status quo through her association with the church. In any event, I have seen enough of her to know that she doesn't care what I, any of you, this Hankcock guy or anyone thinks. It isn't arrogance, it is just a very, very firm internal morality that has few if any external reference points. And she can articulate and apply it pretty flawlessly. A person like that can be dangerous to an institution, Hancock apparently feels that way and is probably right to.

                          I continue to follow her career with interest.
                          I agree that it is an interesting battle if that is what we want to call it. Based on a recent meeting I attended, I would be willing to bet that we will get one or more talks in GC regarding "joining the discussion" online. I think that there is only so much angst that leadership can feel over someone like Brooks given that they are indeed encouraging us to join the discussion.

                          Now, *I* think that Hancock is cynically challenging whether or not Brooks is really interested in reform or if she's interested in selling a book and attaching the Mormon name to it. This is where I think he is "offended" if that is what you want to call it. She is challenging the status quo and making money while doing so. Perhaps he doesn't think its genuine. Regardless, It is a silly thing for him or anyone else to get terribly worked up about and frankly he and both the pro and anti-Brooks folks in the comments section should be ashamed for making any of it personal, which it appears to me is what is being done.
                          "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                          Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                            I think it is interesting to see Meridian colliding with Joanna. Two ends of the Mormon spectrum. I like Joanna Brooks. She is reform minded, which is interesting to me because I have a lot of internal dialog lately about whether I think someone like her has a real shot at reform or whether I think she is actually empowering the status quo through her association with the church. In any event, I have seen enough of her to know that she doesn't care what I, any of you, this Hankcock guy or anyone thinks. It isn't arrogance, it is just a very, very firm internal morality that has few if any external reference points. And she can articulate and apply it pretty flawlessly. A person like that can be dangerous to an institution, Hancock apparently feels that way and is probably right to.

                            I continue to follow her career with interest.
                            Couldn't disagree more on the bolded part.

                            Everything else is right on the money.
                            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Levin View Post
                              Quite apart from the content, I couldn't get over Hancock's atrocious writing. The syntax was so jumbled. Each sentence went four different directions before you reached the period. And that guy grades students' writing?
                              Got to agree. Seemed like he was trying to compensate for something.
                              "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                              - Goatnapper'96

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                Couldn't disagree more on the bolded part.

                                Everything else is right on the money.
                                +1. I think she's a major challenge to the status quo, althemoreso because of her continued presence in the church.

                                I think UD is right on the money about what she thinks about everybody else. It's not arrogance, but it's powerful self-assurance. She answers to herself and God (or G-d, as her husband may prefer) only. It's a quality that may rub the Hancocks of the world the wrong way but I find inspiring.

                                I haven't seen her so much as acknowledge his comments, btw. I hope she does not.
                                Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.

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