For the Strength of Youth 2012

[Viking]

I can't believe that we promote the notion that a bare shoulder is immodest. Years ago I was watching a halftime show with my daughter and she was scandalized that the drill team was dressing immodestly because their shoulders were uncovered. That led to some awkward deprogramming sessions.

There is a woman in our ward who jogs in a tank top (or she did when it was warmer). Several of the women in the ward were shocked by it and gossiped about how immodest she is.

Clueless jogs with a sports bra on the beach in Rio and wears Brazilian cut bikinis. I can only imagine the gossip if it were in the US.

[Pheidippides]

You would think after thousands of years and a wide variety of different rules at different times it would become obvious that the issue isn't what the rules are specifically, it's whether or not someone has the willingness to be obedient.

You and I belong to the same church but not the same religion. FYI.

[Indy Coug]

You and I belong to the same church but not the same religion. FYI.

Your religion doesn't require obedience?

[Pheidippides]

Your religion doesn't require obedience?

Cut the bullshit Indy. Sometime I wonder if you aren't a lawyer.

[Indy Coug]

Cut the bullshit Indy. Sometime I wonder if you aren't a lawyer.

Well, since you're so convinced we don't belong to the same religion, I'm curious how you came to that determination. Thus, I have attempted to find where your line of demarcation is.

[Moliere]

Your religion doesn't require obedience?

Wait, do you really believe that all things being equal, someone who wears one pair of earrings is closer to the spirit than someone who wears two pairs?

[TripletDaddy]

Clueless jogs with a sports bra on the beach in Rio and wears Brazilian cut bikinis.

TMI. This thread is just fine without pics.

[TripletDaddy]

Wait, do you really believe that all things being equal, someone who wears one pair of earrings is closer to the spirit than someone who wears two pairs?

I think Indy is admitting that his foul language and ill temper towards others alienate him from the Spirit, thereby disqualifying him to opine on matters of obedience and worthiness. At least that is what I got out of his most recent post.

[Pheidippides]

Well, since you're so convinced we don't belong to the same religion, I'm curious how you came to that determination. Thus, I have attempted to find where your line of demarcation is.

No, you're not. You're interested in proving a point with a series of rhetorically misleading questions, the answers to which you already know or should know and which are largely irrelevant. It's a bullshit trick usually reserved for asshole lawyers.

In the event I'm wrong - which I'm almost assuredly not - I'm not interested in doing anything more than pointing out that your viewpoint doesn't represent church membership as a whole. Having done this already, I decline to play further.

[Indy Coug]

Wait, do you really believe that all things being equal, someone who wears one pair of earrings is closer to the spirit than someone who wears two pairs?

I believe that all things being equal, if someone deliberately chooses not to follow the standards, there is a greater likelihood (however small or great that might be) that they are deliberately choosing not to be obedient in other things. So the issue isn't the number of earrings, it's the underlying motivations and attitudes that led to the number.

[Moliere]

I think Indy is admitting that his foul language and ill temper towards others alienate him from the Spirit, thereby disqualifying him to opine on matters of obedience and worthiness. At least that is what I got out of his most recent post.

No, you're not. You're interested in proving a point with a series of rhetorically misleading questions, the answers to which you already know or should know and which are largely irrelevant. It's a bullshit trick usually reserved for asshole lawyers.

I'm just glad the old Indy is back.

[woot]

In Indy's religion, God is the old Western jerk with a gun who says "dance!" while he shoots at your feet. I doubt very many Mormons would be okay with the idea that obedience itself is what god wants more so than the salvation of his children through adherence to necessary conditions.

[Indy Coug]

I think Indy is admitting that his foul language and ill temper towards others alienate him from the Spirit, thereby disqualifying him to opine on matters of obedience and worthiness. At least that is what I got out of his most recent post.

I own up to my shortcomings rather than trying to pawn it off as some enobling refusal to kowtow to micromanaging megalomaniacs who want wield supreme power over all aspects of my life.

[TripletDaddy]

I own up to my shortcomings rather than trying to pawn it off as some enobling refusal to kowtow to micromanaging megalomaniacs who want wield supreme power over all aspects of my life.

You have? I don't think I have ever known you to own up to your shortcomings. What are they? Or perhaps you can just link us to some of your online confessionals.

[Indy Coug]

No, you're not. You're interested in proving a point with a series of rhetorically misleading questions, the answers to which you already know or should know and which are largely irrelevant. It's a bullshit trick usually reserved for asshole lawyers.

In the event I'm wrong - which I'm almost assuredly not - I'm not interested in doing anything more than pointing out that your viewpoint doesn't represent church membership as a whole. Having done this already, I decline to play further.

The game began when you declared that your religion is not my religion. Seeing as it was you that decided to initiate the playing, you are certainly more than free to stop at any time.