Joseph Smith's children from polygamy

[venkman]

Still looking...

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...h-mystery.html

[il Padrino Ute]

Thanks for that link. Ugo is a good guy and has done some great work in the DNA field of study.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that article. They (the church) have already found DNA matches and the JS-polygamous children links are documented on the publicly available LDS genealogy database. It is astounding to me that De Groote would not mention this in his article.

There is also overwhelming evidence that JS consummated his plural marriages. As I read the comments for the article I find myself wondering why these folks are doing so much high-fiving over the lack of a match in these cases.

[wuapinmon]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that article. They (the church) have already found DNA matches and the JS-polygamous children links are documented on the publicly available LDS genealogy database. It is astounding to me that De Groote would not mention this in his article.

There is also overwhelming evidence that JS consummated his plural marriages. As I read the comments for the article I find myself wondering why these folks are doing so much high-fiving over the lack of a match in these cases.

I was going to say this, but decided not to. That the author doesn't mention it is just, well, shitty reporting, or perhaps worse.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I was going to say this, but decided not to. That the author doesn't mention it is just, well, shitty reporting, or perhaps worse.

You will notice how De Groote carefully worded the article. He never says that no DNA evidence has been found. He simply lists several cases where the matches came back negative, thereby leading the reader to a false conclusion.

Shitty reporting indeed.

[Northwestcoug]

Thanks for that link. Ugo is a good guy and has done some great work in the DNA field of study.

Does he still work with Scott Woodward at the Sorenson Molecular Geneology Foundation? I was one of Woodward's students while he was still at BYU. I just found out recently he had left BYU and started the SMGF. Kind of surprised he left. He was sort of a rock star in his department.

[Solon]

Does he still work with Scott Woodward at the Sorenson Molecular Geneology Foundation? I was one of Woodward's students while he was still at BYU. I just found out recently he had left BYU and started the SMGF. Kind of surprised he left. He was sort of a rock star in his department.

Perego is the guy who's been so involved in the Book of Mormon - DNA battles at FAIR/FARMS/Maxwell Institute:

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publ...2&num=1&id=796

[same article]

http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormo...n_and_DNA.html

[TripletDaddy]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that article. They (the church) have already found DNA matches and the JS-polygamous children links are documented on the publicly available LDS genealogy database. It is astounding to me that De Groote would not mention this in his article.

There is also overwhelming evidence that JS consummated his plural marriages. As I read the comments for the article I find myself wondering why these folks are doing so much high-fiving over the lack of a match in these cases.

We certainly are NOT in the Golden Age yet, despite what Bushman thinks.

[Moliere]

There is also overwhelming evidence that JS consummated his plural marriages. As I read the comments for the article I find myself wondering why these folks are doing so much high-fiving over the lack of a match in these cases.

I find it funny that people try to make the argument that JS didn't have sex with his plural wives. So what is he did or didn't, he still married them. I'm sure my wife would be upset if she found out I married another woman (hypothetical of course) and I tried to calm her down by explaining that I had no intentions of making love to anyone but her despite my other marriage.

[beefytee]

There are some pretty crazy comments on the article as well. How have the comments been on the site since they changed the rules about commenting. Do they sanitize things there?

It looks like Michael De Groote is responding to comments, if you think it is worth calling him out.

[Viking]

This is bizarre. Brig am, LoSno et. al., can have scores of polygamy spawned children but somehow it's a victory JS's seed under such arrangements cannot be found!?!

[LA Ute]

Maybe he just loved writing about Fawn Brodie being proven wrong.

[Jacob]

I find it funny that people try to make the argument that JS didn't have sex with his plural wives. So what is he did or didn't, he still married them. I'm sure my wife would be upset if she found out I married another woman (hypothetical of course) and I tried to calm her down by explaining that I had no intentions of making love to anyone but her despite my other marriage.

You really don't think that is a significant distinction?

[NorthwestUteFan]

I find it funny that people try to make the argument that JS didn't have sex with his plural wives. So what is he did or didn't, he still married them.

I wonder if people feel that way about polygamy because they are hedging against the "they did it for sexually perverse reasons" argument. This is a tough argument to counter, because only a small percentage of men in the church had multiple wives and most of them were in relatively high church leadership positions.

I'm sure my wife would be upset if she found out I married another woman (hypothetical of course) and I tried to calm her down by explaining that I had no intentions of making love to anyone but her despite my other marriage.

On the other hand, I wonder how many women would actually be happy to have another woman around the house to help with chores and so they could say, "go bug the other wife tonight" instead of "not tonight, I have a headache".

[Jeff Lebowski]

You really don't think that is a significant distinction?

It is a moot point because there is overwhelming evidence that he did have sex with his plural wives.

But just to humor you for a moment, what is the logic behind the "yeah but he didn't have sex with them" argument? If that is what happened, why was JS the only one that did it that way? Was it supposed to be done that way? Was everyone else from BY on down doing it incorrectly? I don't get it.