In praise of "modern revelation"

[HBCoug]

My parents engaged in mixed marital relations prior to 1978.

In one state, my parents could not secure a rental contract on a house because of my father's race; the lease was signed only by my mother who was an acceptable race, even though her husband was the breadwinner. The Landlord was Chinese; damn those racist chinese, I am still pyschologically damaged lo these many years later. (Sorry Surfah) I spend hours online on the Asian chat boards complaining about this outrageous treatment. Of course things are different now, but the bitterness remains. It actually took a fair housing law to force change!

In the city of Santa Ana, my father was once kicked out of a public swimming pool because he was mistakenly thought to be mexican. He informed the lifeguards that he wasnt, but it was a true case of skin color discrimination. The Lifeguards were californian; damn those racist californians, he is still pyschologically damaged lo these many years later. (Sorry Surfah) I spend hours online on the Californian chat boards complaining about this outrageous treatment. Of course things are different now, but the bitterness remains.

Now there is a delicious bit of historical irony. Today in Santa Ana, my father could walk down Harbor Blvd from McFadden to Westminster Blvd and potentially not come across a non-Mexican the entire time. viva la raza!

[TripletDaddy]

Now there is a delicious bit of historical irony. Today in Santa Ana, my father could walk down Harbor Blvd from McFadden to Westminster Blvd and potentially not come across a non-Mexican the entire time. viva la raza!

Speaking of delicious, there are several places to buy tamales year round in Santa Ana, right off Bristol. Around the holidays they bust out the cinnamon ones and the pineapple ones, too. yum!

[SeattleUte]

That was without a doubt the most mean-spirited (toward LDS) BOM musical review I have read yet. Ironic that this is the one that resonates with you.

Do you have any problem with its logic?

The play is damning enough it seems; no one has felt the need to pile on, I guess.

[HBCoug]

Speaking of delicious, there are several places to buy tamales year round in Santa Ana, right off Bristol. Around the holidays they bust out the cinnamon ones and the pineapple ones, too. yum!

Delicious indeed! I miss those street carts. I'm sure you can practically get the same thing on the streets of Highland.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Do you have any problem with its logic?

The play is damning enough it seems; no one has felt the need to pile on, I guess.

I think the review is a lazy, mean-spirited cheap shot.

And gven your sensitivity to racism, I am puzzled why you aren't attacking tha manner in which Ugandans are depicted in the musical. You must be outraged.

[woot]

I think the review is a lazy, mean-spirited cheap shot.

And gven your sensitivity to racism, I am puzzled why you aren't attacking tha manner in which Ugandans are depicted in the musical. You must be outraged.

From what very little I've read about the Ugandans' treatment, and from a standpoint of one who has been only adjacent to Uganda but not in it, the treatment of the natives in the play seems to be extremely ignorant, and, dare I say, completely racist.

But SU is nevertheless spot-on in his endless harping. I'm glad he does it, as it needs to be repeated until the church works out at long last what it wants to be. Either it is led by men with a tendency to present their opinions as if they were revelation, or by infallible men getting their orders from a very flaky god. You only get to pick one, but the church seems pick and choose depending on the situation.

[SeattleUte]

From what very little I've read about the Ugandans' treatment, and from a standpoint of one who has been only adjacent to Uganda but not in it, the treatment of the natives in the play seems to be extremely ignorant, and, dare I say, completely racist.

But SU is nevertheless spot-on in his endless harping. I'm glad he does it, as it needs to be repeated until the church works out at long last what it wants to be. Either it is led by men with a tendency to present their opinions as if they were revelation, or by infallible men getting their orders from a very flaky god. You only get to pick one, but the church seems pick and choose depending on the situation.

The day they do the right thing they won't get to choose any longer. The aura of infalliblity will end. That's what's so hard for them. Do they want to maintain the old aura, or be respected?

[NorthwestUteFan]

The day they do the right thing they won't get to choose any longer. The aura of infalliblity will end. That's what's so hard for them. Do they want to maintain the old aura, or be respected?

When that happens, a large percentage of the 47% who actually pay tithing will then feel justified to say, "You know, I think that from now on I will define 'paying a full tithing' as 10% of what is left over after I pay my taxes, mortgage, and my kids' expenses..."

The church already can't afford that eventuality.

[Moliere]

The day they do the right thing they won't get to choose any longer. The aura of infalliblity will end. That's what's so hard for them. Do they want to maintain the old aura, or be respected?

The aura of infallibility should have ended with Joseph Smith. RSR and NMKMH should be required reading for seminary students to give them a flavor of just how flawed church leaders can be.

I have no problem with you harping on this issue, but I take a lot of what is said on this issue from white men (from both sides) with a grain of salt. Ultimately I conclude that while the policy was racist, I'm not as smart as the God in which I believe and I have to believe there was some reason for the ban. That reason could be fallible leaders or it could indeed have been instituted by God, but honestly none of us know the answer and won't know the answer for a while.

I find it more interesting that God hated all people from the death of the early apostles until 1829. Didn't those people deserve the blessings that come from holding the PH? Apparently not since God withheld it from them.

[Non Sequitur]

The day they do the right thing they won't get to choose any longer. The aura of infalliblity will end. That's what's so hard for them. Do they want to maintain the old aura, or be respected?

The issue isn't infallibility, it's prophets and revelation. Until the mentality shifts to a point where "prophet" is merely a title and "revelation" is more akin to "inspiration", it is impossible for the Church to say that a doctrine that affected so many people was a mistake. The shift will happen eventually.

[SeattleUte]

Somebody should have bumped this thread during the recent Randy Bott discussions. What did they say about Randy Bott in conference?

[DrumNFeather]

Somebody should have bumped this thread during the recent Randy Bott discussions. What did they say about Randy Bott in conference?

Sister Beck thanked him by name for taking away much of the ire directed at her. It was actually a very tender moment.

[byu71]

Somebody should have bumped this thread during the recent Randy Bott discussions. What did they say about Randy Bott in conference?

I must have missed that thread. Who is Randy Bott? They must have taught about him in Seminary on one of those days I skipped class. My guess he isn't a former or current GA and called Randy instead of Randall.

[TripletDaddy]

Somebody should have bumped this thread during the recent Randy Bott discussions. What did they say about Randy Bott in conference?

During the morning session, Elder Scott addressed his comments to Jabari Parker, and while staring directly at him, Elder Scott apologized for anything Randy Bott may have said.

[Flystripper]

During the morning session, Elder Scott addressed his comments to Jabari Parker, and while staring directly at him, Elder Scott apologized for anything Randy Bott may have said.

and somehow Jabari felt guilty under Elder Scott's gaze.