How would you discipline?

[LA Ute]

What if the girl placed the boy's hands on her breasts, and the boy removed his hands after indulging for 20 seconds? Who is more culpable?

I thought you said each case is not all that diffreent, but you keep changing the facts.

[Solon]

Isn't anybody going to include landpoke's line: "This thread is useless without pictures?"

I feel like I don't really have the street cred to pull it off, but somebody's got to do it.

[TripletDaddy]

Amen.

Is this under the shirt, under the bra touching? Over the shirt? Under the shirt, over the bra?

Over the bra, under the blouse, shoes off, hoping to God your parents don't walk in.....

Over the panties...no bra, blouse unbuttoned, Calvins in a ball on the front seat past eleven on a school night...

[Surfah]

Over the bra, under the blouse, shoes off, hoping to God your parents don't walk in.....

Over the panties...no bra, blouse unbuttoned, Calvins in a ball on the front seat past eleven on a school night...

Endless possibilities.

[Babs]

I don't see any reason to discipline them.

I agree. A lifetime of sexual dysfunction will be punishment enough.

[BlueHair]

Mormon boy touches Mormon girl's boobs. Girl resists, but only after indulging for 20 seconds or so. Both are penitent. What is the correct Church discipline?

A) Boy goes without sacrament for 3 months (or weeks...whatever)
B) Girl goes without sacrament for 3 months
C) Both boy and girl go without sacrament for 3 months
D) Other (please explain)

How does your answer change if the girl confesses first and blames the guy or vice versa?

How big are the boobs?

[wuapinmon]

How big are the boobs?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can't breathe, laughing too hard

[wuapinmon]

What if the girl placed the boy's hands on her breasts, and the boy removed his hands after indulging for 20 seconds? Who is more culpable?

This reminds of the Mexican nun, Sor Juana's poem, "Hombres necios que acusáis"

Silly, you men-so very adept
at wrongly faulting womankind,
not seeing you're alone to blame
for faults you plant in woman's mind.

After you've won by urgent plea
the right to tarnish her good name,
you still expect her to behave--
you, that coaxed her into shame.

You batter her resistance down
and then, all righteousness, proclaim
that feminine frivolity,
not your persistence, is to blame.

When it comes to bravely posturing,
your witlessness must take the prize:
you're the child that makes a bogeyman,
and then recoils in fear and cries.

Presumptuous beyond belief,
you'd have the woman you pursue
be Thais when you're courting her,
Lucretia once she falls to you.

For plain default of common sense,
could any action be so queer
as oneself to cloud the mirror,
then complain that it's not clear?

Whether you're favored or disdained,
nothing can leave you satisfied.
You whimper if you're turned away,
you sneer if you've been gratified.

With you, no woman can hope to score;
whichever way, she's bound to lose;
spurning you, she's ungrateful--
succumbing, you call her lewd.

Your folly is always the same:
you apply a single rule
to the one you accuse of looseness
and the one you brand as cruel.

What happy mean could there be
for the woman who catches your eye,
if, unresponsive, she offends,
yet whose complaisance you decry?

Still, whether it's torment or anger--
and both ways you've yourselves to blame--
God bless the woman who won't have you,
no matter how loud you complain.

It's your persistent entreaties
that change her from timid to bold.
Having made her thereby naughty,
you would have her good as gold.

So where does the greater guilt lie
for a passion that should not be:
with the man who pleads out of baseness
or the woman debased by his plea?

Or which is more to be blamed--
though both will have cause for chagrin:
the woman who sins for money
or the man who pays money to sin?

So why are you men all so stunned
at the thought you're all guilty alike?
Either like them for what you've made them
or make of them what you can like.

If you'd give up pursuing them,
you'd discover, without a doubt,
you've a stronger case to make
against those who seek you out.

I well know what powerful arms
you wield in pressing for evil:
your arrogance is allied
with the world, the flesh, and the devil!

Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz (anonymous translator)

[FN Phat]

What if the girl placed the boy's hands on her breasts, and the boy removed his hands after indulging for 20 seconds? Who is more culpable?

The Old Testement teaches us that the girl is a whore. "Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt (or Utah): for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her."

[DrumNFeather]

In that case, the knife would be dull.

"Why a spoon sir? Why not a knife or a fork?"

"Because it's dull you twit it'll hurt more!"

[TripletDaddy]

This reminds of the Mexican nun, Sor Juana's poem, "Hombres necios que acusáis"

I was thinking the exact same thing!

[marsupial]

If it's my daughter.... cut boy's penis off and feed it to my dog.

OK, maybe an appropriate response if it was some old guy trying to cop a feel, but c'mon. This was one of her peers, probably her boyfriend.

[marsupial]

If I were bishop, I would have both commit in writing to group dating and avoiding being alone with the opposite sex until they at least graduated from high school. Then I'd meet with them periodically to see that they are keeping that commitment. I would not have them read the miracle of forgiveness, but suggest they look up repentance and forgiveness in the topical guide and encourage them to have that be the focus of their daily scripture study for the next few weeks.

How'd I do? Could I be a bishop?

[Goatnapper'96]

If I were bishop, I would have both commit in writing to group dating and avoiding being alone with the opposite sex until they at least graduated from high school. Then I'd meet with them periodically to see that they are keeping that commitment. I would not have them read the miracle of forgiveness, but suggest they look up repentance and forgiveness in the topical guide and encourage them to have that be the focus of their daily scripture study for the next few weeks.

How'd I do? Could I be a bishop?

Sounds like the perspective of experience.......

Top Shelf 'sup.........

[Solon]

If I were bishop, I would have both commit in writing to group dating and avoiding being alone with the opposite sex until they at least graduated from high school. Then I'd meet with them periodically to see that they are keeping that commitment. I would not have them read the miracle of forgiveness, but suggest they look up repentance and forgiveness in the topical guide and encourage them to have that be the focus of their daily scripture study for the next few weeks.

How'd I do? Could I be a bishop?

You should totally run for bishop. I would vote for you.

But you'll win hands-down if you can guarantee 2-hour church.