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  • Jackrabbit
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 63

    #76
    Originally posted by creekster View Post
    Are they? Then how can there be multpile universes?

    I am no physicist, but as I understand it (and please tell me if I am wrong) the uncertainty principle assumes that quantum matter exists within a wave packet and that you cant measure momentum and location at the same time. But it assumes the matter exisits. It might appear randomly within it packet, but it is somewhere; it is something. So how did the quantum particle come to exist?

    It seems like you are saying, in effect, that the universe is purely a byproduct of consciousness. Are we but God's dream?

    There may be multiple universes because in quantum physics they randomly pop up. We don't have any evidence of multiple universes though.

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    • The_Tick
      Made something of myself
      • Nov 2008
      • 7291

      #77
      Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
      No need to summon Tim. I have released every fish I have ever caught on the fly. I am a tree hugging fisherman.

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      • creekster
        It is NOT a monkey!
        • Nov 2008
        • 22661

        #78
        Originally posted by Jackrabbit View Post
        There may be multiple universes because in quantum physics they randomly pop up. We don't have any evidence of multiple universes though.
        But htis doesnt answer the question as to the nature of the creation or the application of Hesienberg's principle.
        PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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        • wuapinmon
          Soul Plumber
          • Dec 2008
          • 30711

          #79
          Originally posted by The_Tick View Post
          No need to summon Tim. I have released every fish I have ever caught on the fly. I am a tree hugging fisherman.
          Tim gets mad at the trauma to the fish, even if released. I love to fish, but, sadly, I haven't been able to go fishing on the ocean in over a year....but, my grandpa and I are going to Apalachicola in October. WOOHOO!
          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69676

            #80
            Originally posted by The_Tick View Post
            No need to summon Tim. I have released every fish I have ever caught on the fly. I am a tree hugging fisherman.
            Yeah, it is stupid to kill fish in highly-stressed streams. Just stop at Costco on the way home and pick up some salmon or steelhead. Tastes better than trout anyway. Especially brown trout.
            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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            • Jackrabbit
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 63

              #81
              Originally posted by creekster View Post
              But htis doesnt answer the question as to the nature of the creation or the application of Hesienberg's principle.
              Yeah sorry, I checked back at the book I read and I was wrong. At the quantum level, universes spring up randomly from a mother universe. So our universe can create itself. But what created the mother universe? Don't know.

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              • il Padrino Ute
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 19161

                #82
                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                Yeah, it is stupid to kill fish in highly-stressed streams. Just stop at Costco on the way home and pick up some salmon or steelhead. Tastes better than trout anyway. Especially brown trout.
                "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                • wuapinmon
                  Soul Plumber
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 30711

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Yeah, it is stupid to kill fish in highly-stressed streams. Just stop at Costco on the way home and pick up some salmon or steelhead. Tastes better than trout anyway. Especially brown trout.
                  Food for thought:




                  (this article makes deep-water aquaculture sound viable)
                  "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                  The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                  • Jarid in Cedar
                    CS Institutional Memory
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 13234

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Yeah, it is stupid to kill fish in highly-stressed streams. Just stop at Costco on the way home and pick up some salmon or steelhead. Tastes better than trout anyway. Especially brown trout.
                    I disagree if cooked the day of the catch. I skin then fillet away the bones. wrap the fillet's with a sprig of rosemary, wrap in aluminum foil with butter and lemon juice and cook on the coals...mmmm.
                    "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

                    "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

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                    -Rick Majerus

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                    • UtahDan
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                      • Nov 2008
                      • 14496

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Jackrabbit View Post
                      Yeah sorry, I checked back at the book I read and I was wrong. At the quantum level, universes spring up randomly from a mother universe. So our universe can create itself. But what created the mother universe? Don't know.
                      It is a mystery. Still, there was a time in human history where virtually everything had a magical explanation. As time has gone on, human beings have learned that most things have natural explanations. Most of the world as we know it today would be very magical indeed to our ancestors. As time has gone on the number of things with natural explanations has grown and the number of things with magical explanations has shrunk. The reverse has never been true.
                      Last edited by UtahDan; 01-13-2011, 11:59 AM. Reason: sp/grmr

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                      • Jacob
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 6801

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Jackrabbit View Post
                        Yes. Humans are wired to look for the transcendant. Even Hellen Keller, before having any ideas transmitted to her, pondered, "Who made the sky, the sea, everything?”
                        naturally wired to look for the transcendant? Or naturally look for explanations as to why things are the way they are?

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                        • Jarid in Cedar
                          CS Institutional Memory
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 13234

                          #87
                          Thought of the day:

                          Does God make the physical rules of the universe, or does he play them like a master?
                          "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

                          "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

                          "I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."

                          -Rick Majerus

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                          • Borg
                            Tour de CS 2013?
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 1501

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
                            Thought of the day:

                            Does God make the physical rules of the universe, or does he play them like a master?
                            In my opinion: He has to "make the physical rules of the universe". Anything less, and he is not omniscient. Will he one day discover some principle that he did not know existed before...which would wipe out all that he has previously done? That can't be.
                            "Newton's First Law of Motion: ...things at rest tend to stay at rest. Things in motion, tend to stay in motion...."

                            Hmm... Good motivation for me to remain active I guess.

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                            • creekster
                              It is NOT a monkey!
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 22661

                              #89
                              Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                              It is a mystery. Still, there was a time in human history where virtually everything had a magical explanation. As time has gone on, human beings have learned that most things have natural explanations. Most of the world as we know it today would be very magical indeed to our ancestors. As time has gone on the number of things with natural explanations has grown and the number of things with magical explanations has shrunk. The reverse has never been true.
                              While I agree with your general sentiment here, I do note that the reverse has sometimes been true. There is a reason they call it the dark ages. Or compare the caliphates of the middle ages to the versions of those leaders no in power in the muslimworld and the cultures that they lead. I think one can argue pretty easily that the reverse occurred a couple of times in history.
                              PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                              • Jarid in Cedar
                                CS Institutional Memory
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 13234

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Borg View Post
                                In my opinion: He has to "make the physical rules of the universe". Anything less, and he is not omniscient. Will he one day discover some principle that he did not know existed before...which would wipe out all that he has previously done? That can't be.
                                If he is omniscient, a perfect understanding of the rules would suffice to accomplish the same goal.
                                "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

                                "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

                                "I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."

                                -Rick Majerus

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