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Trick question. It was done in stages.
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No, just that Moroni died sometime in the 5th century. And that Joseph Smith referred to him as resurrected or "raised again" in the 19th century. Moroni could have be resurrected anytime between then.Originally posted by Donuthole View PostSo you also know when Moroni was resurrected?“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel
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So, I don't understand your question about whether or not Lazarus was dead for 1400+ years.Originally posted by Paperback Writer View PostNo, just that Moroni died sometime in the 5th century. And that Joseph Smith referred to him as resurrected or "raised again" in the 19th century. Moroni could have be resurrected anytime between then.Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Originally posted by Paperback Writer View PostIt would seem Joseph Smith Jr. thought otherwise about Moroni being a resurrected being.
From the Elder's Journal - July 1838 - Joseph Smith Jr.,Editor
Oops, my bad. I forgot about that one. (Or rather, I stopped caring years ago.)
Either way, thanks for the correction.
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The obvious difference was that Lazarus's body was still there to return to while Moroni's most likely was not. The corollary is that Moroni was not resurrected and his spirit re-entered into his 1400-year deceased body (if any of it still remained). That doesn't make for a very intact zombie.Originally posted by Donuthole View PostSo, I don't understand your question about whether or not Lazarus was dead for 1400+ years.
If one accepts that John the Baptist, Moses, Elijah, Peter, James, etc. were all resurrected beings while appearing to Joseph Smith, not sure why 'ol Moroni would be left out. Especially since Joseph described him as "his whole person was glorious beyond description, and his countenance truly like lightning." JSH 1:32. Sound like a resurrected personage to me rather than a 1400-year old zombie.“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel
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Aside from DDD's awesome description of the Puffy Check's question, this thread is one of my favorites from CUF. Look at the charm, the wit, the intelligent arguing. I love threads like this one.
Few people could pull of calling their glee about coffin drawers as being "delighted." PAC makes it seem effortless.Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI was delighted to discover that many coffins include a small drawer in which to place the decedent's keepsakes. I've requested that mine be filled with M&M Peanuts, just in case.
And during my mission, Hartman Rector, Jr. visited the "Bone House" in Hallstatt where the skulls and bones of many hundreds of the local dead were neatly stacked. He said that "I'd love to be here on the morning of the resurrection." So apparently there will be a lot of bones and stuff flying around trying to find the proper match. I'm hoping it's more like Terminator 2 when the little bits liquefy and slowly ooze together into a cohesive whole.
DDD hits a true LOL homerun on this one. Later attempts to refute the joke with references to synthetic fabrics do not diminish this gem.Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostIf our version of the Resurrection is literal, then I think the best place to be during that time would be on a boat. Yes, there would be bodies surfacing all over the place but all the women would have perfect bodies and they will all be soaking wet, possibly wearing white clothes.
"Why, Mrs. JJ Astor, let me help you off with those soaking wet items....."
I love suppositional Mormonism. I hate it too, but it's so awesome to hear about because of the absolutely wondrous variety it engenders.Originally posted by NorthwestUteFan View PostThis thread title reminds me of one of the more memorable EQ discussions of the past decade.
Somehow the topic turned to cloning animals, and then to cloning humans.
The following question was asked, in all sincerity, by a member of the quorum:
"We believe we were created in spirit prior to being created bodily, and that our spirits possess all the traits and appearance of our physical bodies. If a clone is an exact genetic replica of an existing person, will that clone body receive an as-yet unborn spirit who does NOT possess the outward appearance of the physical body? If not, then what spirit will inhabit that body? Will one of Satan's fallen angels inhabit that body? Does the practice of cloning run counter to God's will?" etc, ad nauseum
This is why I believe we are better off sticking with the basic tenets and fundamentals...
Not only do I miss clack, but this last little bit is a touching reminder to me to relish the time I have with my kids--hell, with any of my loved ones. My dad's been dead four years tomorrow; I'd love to stay up talking with him if he were around.Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post3/5 kids are back in Rexburg and Provo tonight after the Holiday's. The best part of the 2 week vacation was a conversation I had with my 25 year old son in my den. He sat in my recliner, and I sat in my computer chair, and we talked from 11 till 2 in the morning - non stop for 3 hours. I bet that'll never happen again the rest of my life.
Good times.
Paperback Writer tries to argue his position, and he does it well, but ultimately it crashes and burns with the misuse of "obvious."Originally posted by Paperback Writer View PostThe obvious difference was that Lazarus's body was still there to return to while Moroni's most likely was not. The corollary is that Moroni was not resurrected and his spirit re-entered into his 1400-year deceased body (if any of it still remained). That doesn't make for a very intact zombie.
If one accepts that John the Baptist, Moses, Elijah, Peter, James, etc. were all resurrected beings while appearing to Joseph Smith, not sure why 'ol Moroni would be left out. Especially since Joseph described him as "his whole person was glorious beyond description, and his countenance truly like lightning." JSH 1:32. Sounds like a resurrected personage to me rather than a 1400-year old zombie.
This short beauty is one of CUF"s best."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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