"Heavenly Father"

[pellegrino]

Where they don't incorrectly pass off anything as doctrine or advocate the modification of church doctrine and/or practices?

nice dodge, this isn't about the Toscanos, they have their ax to grind and it isn't mine. Do you know of any official church publication that discusses Heavenly Mother?

[Indy Coug]

nice dodge, this isn't about the Toscanos, they have their ax to grind and it isn't mine. Do you know of any official church publication that discusses Heavenly Mother?

No, but I haven't spent any time searching for one. I do know there was a fair amount of class discussion on multiple occasions in my Indiana ward on this topic and no one got wrists slapped, records purged or lightning-bolted.

[Moliere]

While we believe in a Heavenly Mother, that doesn't really resolve SU's issue here. Some would contend that the belief is little more than lip service, as any actual discussion of Heavenly Mother is stifled by the patriarchal powers of the church and can even result in church discipline. Just ask Paul and Margaret Toscano.

The belief is there and I don't think it's just lip service. It provides a lot of hope to women of the church that they can obtain such a high stature in the here-after. I know this doesn't resolve SU's issues here (nothing can resolve those issues ) but I just wanted to point out that we are more progressive than many other religions and I wanted to give credit to Mormonism for that.

nice dodge, this isn't about the Toscanos, they have their ax to grind and it isn't mine. Do you know of any official church publication that discusses Heavenly Mother?

The Gospel Principles book doesn't expressly state it but it is obvious in this passage that we believe it:

God is not only our Ruler and Creator; He is also our Heavenly Father. All men and women are literally the sons and daughters of God. “Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 335).

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hi...003a94610aRCRD

[Green Monstah]

After reading the OP, I kept seeing the Greendale Human Being mascot in my mind's eye (from the show Community).

[Jacob]

Not only that, but we also preach that women can become Gods.

Who preaches that? We don't really do we? Well not in public. I'll grant that there is the occasional vague reference to heavenly parents and the like. But when was the last time it was mentioned in conference, for example?

[Indy Coug]

Who preaches that? We don't really do we? Well not in public.

It's our own version of the Torah Code. You take every fifth character out of the 2010 BYU Football Media Guide and do an ASCII-based Fourier Transform.

[creekster]

nice dodge, this isn't about the Toscanos, they have their ax to grind and it isn't mine. Do you know of any official church publication that discusses Heavenly Mother?

The very thought makes reason stare.

[Green Monstah]

The very thought makes reason stare.

well played, but a hymn by Eliza R. may not count as authoritative.

[Indy Coug]

well played, but a hymn by Eliza R. may not count as authoritative.

It got through correlation and was put in the 1985 version of the hymnbook.

[Green Monstah]

It got through correlation and was put in the 1985 version of the hymnbook.

True. I'll have to look through some hymns to see if their lyrics (which went through the same process) should be considered authoritative.

[Indy Coug]

True. I'll have to look through some hymns to see if their lyrics (which went through the same process) should be considered authoritative.

They even come with scriptural cross-references, for crying out loud.

[TheBYUGuy]

True. I'll have to look through some hymns to see if their lyrics (which went through the same process) should be considered authoritative.

"Drink no liquor and we eat but a very little meat"

I'm not sure how that one made it through correlation. That is not something the Church teaches.

[woot]

"Drink no liquor and we eat but a very little meat"

I'm not sure how that one made it through correlation. That is not something the Church teaches.

Well, they're supposed to.

[Moliere]

"Drink no liquor and we eat but a very little meat"

I'm not sure how that one made it through correlation. That is not something the Church teaches.

Depends on your definition of meat.

[Flystripper]

Depends on your definition of meat.

true! and unfortunate on both counts!