Interesting that it took a Democrat to do it.
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Interesting that it took a Democrat to do it."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf -
Well, I failed to see an apology through all of that. I saw, "I'm sorry", but no, "We made the wrong choice, so I'm sorry". There is a big difference between expressing grief and admitting wrong-doing.Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post"Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"
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Just caught this on my fb link.
I'd agree that it's not quite an apology for the involvement and more of an apology for the pain it caused, but it's something. I'd really like to meet Elder Jensen someday.At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
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Well, I think it is definitely a positive step.Comment
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I thought this quote from the person giving the account was powerful:
EDIT: This took a lot of guts for Elder Jensen to do.People were audibly weeping. Paul sobbed. I put my arm around him. It was very, very powerful. It felt very healing.Last edited by UtahDan; 09-25-2010, 08:26 AM.Comment
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So..."I'm sorry" isn't an apology? Since when?Originally posted by doctorcoug View Post
Perhaps he doesn't feel they made the wrong choice - if he were to apologize for that, it might be a little insincere, no? To be clear, just because you and I might think it was the wrong choice, doesn't mean Jensen does as well or even that he should think that. But even if he thinks it was the right choice, the Christlike thing to do is to apologize for causing pain to innocent people - and that is exactly what he did.I'm like LeBron James.
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Then you are looking too narrowly and putting words into his mouth. He said he was sorry to the question asked. In my experience, GAs tend to be deliberate in what they say and he didn't qualify his statement to only the pain the churchs involvement caused.Originally posted by doctorcoug View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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I don't think it is possible to read the tea leaves on a third hand story either way. I think it will be interesting to see if we confirmation that this was said in the form of either a clarification or retraction.Originally posted by Eddie Jones View PostComment
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Why should anyone or any entity have to apologize for expressing their beliefs? If people are angered or embarrassed or offended, it's their problem and not the problem of whoever made the statement."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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You are quite the judgmental ass, aren't you?Originally posted by woot View Post"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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You don't "have to" do anything. You don't have to express your beliefs in a way that hurts others (even if it is just emotionally) and you don't have to apologize if you choose to do it anyway. You also don't have to open the door for a stranger or put the toilet seat down. Sometimes, however, some of us feel the need to show cutesy and civility toward others. Even if we don't have to and even if it comes at our own expense. A healthy society isn't made up of people who choose to do only that they are required.Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View PostLast edited by Slim; 09-25-2010, 10:27 AM.Comment
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A fair point, but I stand by my comment that the offended choose to be offended.Originally posted by Slim View Post"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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You are free to do that if you choose.Originally posted by woot View Post"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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