The "Ground Zero Mosque" and Mormonism

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  • LA Ute
    Receiver of Memory
    • Nov 2008
    • 19512

    #31
    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I have been thinking about your Mountain Meadows analogy and I am not so sure it is one we ought to promote. If you look at it from a different angle, it gets interesting. Suppose the Muslims adopted all of the orphans from 9/11 and started to raise them as Muslims. Then they obstructed the investigation for years, ultimately manipulating the legal system to ensure that only one of the terrorists was ultimately convicted. Then they distorted, and in many cases lied about what happened for decades, blaming it on <insert third party group here>. Then when one of their own does some digging and exposes the truth, they issue a fatwa against this person. Along the way they purchase the ground zero property and erect their own monument describing what happened. Finally after more than a century, they issue a formal "statement of regret", but still hang on to the property.

    Hmmm.... Yeah, let's not go there.
    You're obscuring my point. Engineers!
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    • il Padrino Ute
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 19161

      #32
      I say let them build the mosque. They own the land and can build whatever they want to build on their property.

      Of course, they need to be told that if one single known terrorist is seen walking in or out of the mosque, it will get blown to hell.

      On second thought, Fearless Leader has shown that he is a terrorist sycophant, so the mosques is most likely safe. But it would be a fair consequence if it is leveled because it allows terrorists to enter.
      "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


      "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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      • SeattleUte
        Faith crisis consultant
        • Nov 2008
        • 20837

        #33
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        I have been thinking about your Mountain Meadows analogy and I am not so sure it is one we ought to promote. If you look at it from a different angle, it gets interesting. Suppose the Muslims adopted all of the orphans from 9/11 and started to raise them as Muslims. Then they obstructed the investigation for years, ultimately manipulating the legal system to ensure that only one of the terrorists was ultimately convicted. Then they distorted, and in many cases lied about what happened for decades, blaming it on <insert third party group here>. Then when one of their own does some digging and exposes the truth, they issue a fatwa against this person. Along the way they purchase the ground zero property and erect their own monument describing what happened. Finally after more than a century, they issue a formal "statement of regret", but still hang on to the property.

        Hmmm.... Yeah, let's not go there.
        There probably IS an LDS meeting house not so far from Mountain Meadows.
        When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

        --Jonathan Swift

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        • il Padrino Ute
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 19161

          #34
          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
          There probably IS an LDS meeting house not so far from Mountain Meadows.
          So? You'll never set foot into it if it exists, so why worry about it?
          "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


          "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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          • LA Ute
            Receiver of Memory
            • Nov 2008
            • 19512

            #35
            Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
            There probably IS an LDS meeting house not so far from Mountain Meadows.
            You're obscuring my point. Lawyers!
            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
            ― W.H. Auden


            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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            • statman
              Rabblerouser
              • Aug 2009
              • 2799

              #36
              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
              What's sauce for the Muslims would be sauce for the Mormons.
              It's already sauce for the mormons. WHite Planes temple - scrapped. Too much opposition.

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              • YOhio
                Hipster Mode
                • Nov 2008
                • 26165

                #37
                Pat Bagley has a decent article comparing the Mosque issue to the Smoot hearings.

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                • CardiacCoug
                  вот так штука
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 11013

                  #38
                  Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                  There probably IS an LDS meeting house not so far from Mountain Meadows.
                  Yep, the closest LDS churches are about 6 miles away. Outrageous, no?

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                  • LA Ute
                    Receiver of Memory
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 19512

                    #39
                    Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                    Pat Bagley has a decent article comparing the Mosque issue to the Smoot hearings.
                    I guess I am not seeing the parallel between the proposed mosque and Reed Smoot's seating in the Senate. But I do recommend Kathleen Flake's book. It's terrific.
                    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                    ― W.H. Auden


                    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                    • wuapinmon
                      Soul Plumber
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 30711

                      #40
                      This made me laugh very very hard:

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                      • Flystripper
                        Degenerate Gambler
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 14089

                        #41
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        That was some funny shit.
                        Dyslexics are teople poo...

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                        • Sleeping in EQ
                          Philosopher of Men
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 4188

                          #42
                          Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                          That's righteous stuff, wuap!
                          We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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                          • pellegrino
                            miserere me
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 12100

                            #43
                            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                            me too
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                            God forgives many things for an act of mercy
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                            Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.

                            pelagius

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                            • Jeff Lebowski
                              Corporate lackey for Jesus
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 69529

                              #44
                              I heart the Daily Show.
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                              • KillerDog
                                a.k.a. K-dog
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 4196

                                #45
                                I read, and have not tried to confirm, that part of the furor over the mosque is derived from the City of New York trying to create financial incentives to build this house of worship elsewhere but the organization thumbed their nose at the offer. Has anyone else here heard this portion of the story? As a related question, does such information matter?

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