I learned in church today

[Moliere]

Technically I learned this yesterday, but if you allow a scout leadership group to meet in the church early on a Saturday morning, they will likely bring a coffee pot and brew coffee in the kitchen. I'll admit it was odd to have the smell of coffee emanate throughout the halls of the church but it was also kind of cool.

[ERCougar]

So at t-ball practice last night, my wife got a some more clarification about last Sunday's meeting. Amazingly enough, it managed to be worse than first indicated. I was under the impression that it was a lesson directed towards the men AND women with the above comment made as a side note. Turns out that the meeting actually took place during the third hour. For weeks leading up to it, they passed around sign up sheets to the men so that every women AND young women (12 and up) could attend. The meeting was taught by the stake president and the stake Relief Society president. They've been doing this at every ward conference in the stake.

The Relief Society president in one of the wards felt the message was important enough to email a summary to all of the sisters. Here's that email:



And I thought this guy's rants on gay marriage were epic.

F.T.W.?

My daughter has a friend across the street who is a year older (making her almost 11) who is crazy focused on "modesty" (Church definition), making comments about anyone she sees who shows a shoulder anywhere. My wife went with my daughter and her and her mom to Vegas to see Wicked and all they could talk about is how immoral (again, Church definition) everyone and everything was around them. I get that Vegas is a den of iniquity, but that's all they could talk about?
The mom has had a boob job (I'm told--seriously, I swear women are way more aware of this than men) and is hyperfocused on her body, going on all kinds of fad diets (she's not overweight), and yes, she sells essential oils. Actually, it turns out that every woman in our block has had a boob job and essential oils and fad diets are way too popular here, with the glaring exception of my wife, who is the only one who has run marathons (or actually, probably even a 10k), wears a bikini occasionally, and who doesn't give a crap if my prepubescent daughter is covering her shoulders.
Does this affect kids? Well, the other day there were a couple of brothers who recently moved into town and wanted to go build a fort in the little canyon by our house. My daughter was all set to go but her friend across the street had to go GET MAKE UP ON first. To go build a fort. My daughter said, "you're crazy". I couldn't have been prouder.
Anyway, point of the ramble--the friend obviously has a screwed up mom and is inheriting some of her craziness. But I can't help but think that this idea of women being the caretakers of their bodies for the pleasure or protection of men is being passed on, and reinforced at church. And she hasn't even hit Young Women's. I wonder if it ever comes up in these discussions that the highest rates of sexual violence in the world are in countries with burkah-covered women.

It's these kind of discussions (that aren't nearly as uncommon as they should be) that make me wonder if the Church is all that good of a place to raise kids.

Technically I learned this yesterday, but if you allow a scout leadership group to meet in the church early on a Saturday morning, they will likely bring a coffee pot and brew coffee in the kitchen. I'll admit it was odd to have the smell of coffee emanate throughout the halls of the church but it was also kind of cool.

Your acceptance of this is cool, but I really just think it's weird. Who brings a coffee maker to a morning meeting?

[San Juan Sun]

Your acceptance of this is cool, but I really just think it's weird. Who brings a coffee maker to a morning meeting?

Of course a scout is going to make his own coffee.

[ERCougar]

Of course a scout is going to make his own coffee.

Ha. Good point. Be prepared.

[UteStar]

A good EQ teacher truly is a rare thing. You're lucky.

I teach in EQ. The only complaint I get is that I don't teach often enough!! DDD would be a regular in my EQ if he was in my ward.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I teach in EQ. The only complaint I get is that I don't teach often enough!! DDD would be a regular in my EQ if he was in my ward.

I'd be there, not for your lessons just to make sure you weren't the best dressed in the Q.

[Katy Lied]

and started rambling on how the "liberals" now had a Gospel of Judas. I politely corrected him that it was a gnostic gospel that reflected the beliefs of a minority Christian group during the first century.

Hey! I saw that Gospel of Judas special on Nat Geo as well! It's on netflix now.

[Omaha 680]

He didn't throw in women should not wear their bag cross shoulder because it accentuates the breasts?

That topic was my favorite letters to the editor blowup in the Daily Universe. Circa 2001 I believe.

[Pheidippides]

That topic was my favorite letters to the editor blowup in the Daily Universe. Circa 2001 I believe.

Yup. It was also a mission rule in the mid 90s.

[The Fourth Nephite]

...it makes me wonder if it's mainly people with below average IQ and literacy who are still going to church. SJBH.

Yes, but you wouldn't know it by this board.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Technically I learned this yesterday, but if you allow a scout leadership group to meet in the church early on a Saturday morning, they will likely bring a coffee pot and brew coffee in the kitchen. I'll admit it was odd to have the smell of coffee emanate throughout the halls of the church but it was also kind of cool.

The activity arm of the Aaronic Priesthood did what?

[byu71]

The mom has had a boob job (I'm told--seriously,

I never understood why conservative active LDS women get boob jobs. The church is vocal against immodesty because it attracts bad thoughts from men. WELL! The church is against tatoo's and facial hair. WELL! Yet, boob jobs seem to be a common acceptable occurance. Why not one talk in conference condemning boob jobs.

Most all of the friends whose wives had a boob job didn't want them too. They tell me the $5,000 wasn't worth it, they would rather have kept the money.

At least I have heard one reasonable reason the other day. "My clothes fit better".

[Uncle Ted]

I never understood why conservative active LDS women get boob jobs. The church is vocal against immodesty because it attracts bad thoughts from men. WELL! The church is against tatoo's and facial hair. WELL! Yet, boob jobs seem to be a common acceptable occurance. Why not one talk in conference condemning boob jobs.

Most all of the friends whose wives had a boob job didn't want them too. They tell me the $5,000 wasn't worth it, they would rather have kept the money.

At least I have heard one reasonable reason the other day. "My clothes fit better".

Yes, the data shows that SLC is the vainest city of them all. My guess is that LDS women feel they need a little help to enhance god given assets more given all the extra clothing they have to wear to be modest. Those garments seem only come in double D cup sizes (one size fits all) so of course their clothes fit better.

[clackamascoug]

I had a real live PPI yesterday. We got a new HPGL and he's still wide eyed and bushy tailed. As he and I have worked together for years in various bishoprics it was a fun opportunity to have a nice long discussion about the church in general these days. It's my observation though that good LDS people who don't hang out on message boards don't have a clue as to the internal struggles that many feel in the Church. To them, it's still 1987 and they're still coming to grips with doing away with the penalty signs. There's a pretty big gap in the middle.

[Sleeping in EQ]

It's my observation though that good LDS people who don't hang out on message boards don't have a clue as to the internal struggles that many feel in the Church. To them, it's still 1987 and they're still coming to grips with doing away with the penalty signs. There's a pretty big gap in the middle.

I've noticed this too.