Mormons and AZ's new immigration law

[COUGALICIOUS]

Commando knows immigration stuff.

I don't doubt it, that is why I asked for him to favor us with his reconciliation (or non-reconciliation) of the 12th AoF and the Arizona law. Still no word.

[wuapinmon]

The same people who go around screaming 12th AofF right now are often the same people who cite Jefferson talking about "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Duplicity, thy name be Republicans!

[Jarid in Cedar]

I will punch anyone in the cock who invokes the 12th article of faith in defense of this law.

I can't stop laughing as I read this, especially reading the posts it spawned through the thread. Simply awesome!!!

[LA Ute]

If we want to get all puffed about about "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law," then everyone saying that the 12th AoF justifies the Arizona law needs to give up their radar detectors and start scrupulously obeying the speed limit. And that's just for starters. Besides, I think it's pretty clear that AoF 12 refers to our own behavior, not making sure everyone else obeys, honors and sustains the law.

Not that this type of sanctimony ticks me off or anything . . . .

[LA Ute]

Grrrr.....If anyone accuses me of acting indignant, I'm going to punch them in the cock!

[ewth8tr]

I will punch anyone in the cock who invokes the 12th article of faith in defense of this law.

[il Padrino Ute]

Everything can be unconstitutional as applied. This is nothing new as far as the police and racial profiling go.

Here's an interesting view from a LAPD officer.

http://article.nationalreview.com/43...aw/jack-dunphy

The officer makes some good points in his comments. I especially like that he called out Obama for the fear-mongering lie that Obama told about that law.

[mUUser]

Arizona's dealing with an Arizona problem. That's how it should be. If it's unconstitutional, we'll know soon enough.

[il Padrino Ute]

Arizona's dealing with an Arizona problem. That's how it should be. If it's unconstitutional, we'll know soon enough.

Well, it's only a matter of time until it's deemed unconstitutional, as it will eventually end up in the 9th circuit court.

[Commando]

I don't doubt it, that is why I asked for him to favor us with his reconciliation (or non-reconciliation) of the 12th AoF and the Arizona law. Still no word.

I thought my terse response was enough, but here goes... immigration law is so fluid and new that it's literally being written right now in administrative courts and formed along the skeleton of the INA. If you're illegal, wait five minutes, because something might happen that will make you eligible to become legal, depending on where you're from, when you came here, how many kids you have, your family's imm. status, etc. etc. etc. Just because AZ passed a dubious law five seconds ago (that will likely be overturned anyway because matters pertaining to aliens are the domain of Congress), now we're suddenly flying the banner of "honoring, obeying, and sustaining the law"? (btw- the spirit of that strikes me as us just proclaiming we are law abiding rational creatures and not fundamentalist wackos) Really. That's the reason to support SB 1070? Don't hide behind the A's of F. That argument is as valid as saying the illegals were brought here by the Hand of God just like Lehi. Keep those arguments in church with your tolerant or like-minded Elder's quorum. As for public discourse, if you hate illegals, just say so and if you want to support it, support it with rational argument within the context of the laws on the books.

I don't see why you're bent out of shape. This isn't cougarboard... my comment was obviously in jest but also semi serious. You don't have to accuse me of tuff talking people on here.

[Commando]

If we want to get all puffed about about "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law," then everyone saying that the 12th AoF justifies the Arizona law needs to give up their radar detectors and start scrupulously obeying the speed limit. And that's just for starters. Besides, I think it's pretty clear that AoF 12 refers to our own behavior, not making sure everyone else obeys, honors and sustains the law.

Not that this type of sanctimony ticks me off or anything . . . .

ok you said it better.

[Moliere]

Tough-guy routine on an anonymous message board? Okay.

In your view, how do you (or don't you) reconcile the 12th Article of Faith with the AZ law?

(I've got my own opinions which, in full disclosure, probably wouldn't get me punched south of the border. However, I'd like to hear your take.)

I follow the example of the prophet on this one, and we know that his view is that being an illegal alien does not keep one from being in full fellowship within the church. Obviously the church either doesn't care if you uphold the law, or it doesn't care if you uphold onerous laws. I'm confident it is the latter. Using the 12th amendment in this case is plain stupid.

[byu71]

or it doesn't care if you uphold onerous laws. I'm confident it is the latter.

ON a side note, it would be nice if the policy were followed at BYU when it comes to the honor code. Nice if students didn't have to uphold the parts they felt were onerous.

[COUGALICIOUS]

I think that is a reasonable take. I don't profess to know much about it (to put that "not much" in perspective, most of what I know I've learned from CUF of CB).

You're cock-punch stance made me think you had a well-informed opinion on the subject, so I asked. (fwiw, there was never getting bent out of shape - I can't really imagine that anyone takes message boards seriously enough to really get bent out of shape)

Anyway, I think that some members tend to wield the 12AoF when they like the law in question, but ignore it when they don't. Also, no one could argue that it was intended to keep us for opposing stupid laws in hopes of better ones.

Cock-punch averted?

[BoylenOver]

It is the same thing with immigration in my opinion. If the only problem that people had with it was that they were doing things illegally then they would work to change the laws to make it easier to allow migrant laborers to come here and to be tracked/counted/taxed more easily. Instead they legally mandate racial profiling all in the name of "upholding the law".

This is a great comment.