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“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I hope that Texas Longhorn wasn't Jeff Lebowski, if so a big apology is in order.Originally posted by grapevine View PostOur Bishops have stopped by when someone got home from the hospital. When a Texas Longhorn sent me to the hospital he came by. Didn't quite make it to the hospital before I got out. Though some surgeries some people need to be left alone.
A bishop is usually first to find out about death so winds up with all the other grievers. That is one thing I would hate to do. I hate going to peoples homes right after a death. Don't know what to say so won't say anything.
That said I will not criticize a Bishop. He did not ask for the calling. When I hear so and so does not go to church because of a bishop. No they don't go to church because of themselves Bishop had nothing to do with it.
And more often than not Bishop is in right. I know someone that decided to move in a recent convert. When Bishop called them to task she got mad at him and quit going to church. She violated the law of chastity not bishop that did not ask to be bishop.
For dropping in after illness or death or just to see people I can see it happening. I just haven't had it happent o me that often.
As missionary my MP interviews were short. Usually low key see them when I need to rare to get visits at home from him.
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I think after all this we finally hear the real reason. Art before you go over to someone's house call and ask "are you about to have sex" and if they say yes then don't go. It's all so easy if you get to the root of the problem.Originally posted by doctorcoug View PostMaybe I'm just so bitter because we were getting ready to have sex and it didn't happen because of their visit.
I literally had to stash paraphernalia behind couch pillows as they walked in. I guess I shouldn't be so upset with the gesture. It was just VERY inconvenient.
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There are many words I associate with "relations" but paraphernalia is not one of them.Originally posted by doctorcoug View PostMaybe I'm just so bitter because we were getting ready to have sex and it didn't happen because of their visit.
I literally had to stash paraphernalia behind couch pillows as they walked in. I guess I shouldn't be so upset with the gesture. It was just VERY inconvenient.
Since Oxcoug is now backing down from the use of the word "astonishing" to describe the dynamic behind a three letter hebrew word ("NHM") as evidence that the BOM is true, would you like to use a new word, too?
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Ahh, now that is eminently more reasonable explanation. I too have felt startled when I was made a project, wondering "Isnt there a bigger sinner out there that could be closely monitored instead of me?"Originally posted by doctorcoug View PostI guess I'm just pissed off that I would be lumped into the "project" category (the whole bishopric came). I pray and study the scriptures everyday. I do family home evening every week. I do all that I should do to be a good Mormon.
I just think it is stupid that the bishop would turn me into a project when I CAN'T attend church. He knows that, he is a friggin OB/GYN in the area. He has done residency and knows the hours. It just makes no sense, as to why he scope me out.
I don't truly think he is genuine. If he were genuine, he would have prepared better.
Coincidentally, whenever I am stopped by a traffic cop, I always wonder "Isnt there some drug dealers you could be out investigating?"
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I wouldn't use the word "project," you are probably just one of the folks the bishop is wondering or worried about. They still haven't let me out of the bishopric I am in, so I can say that in our ward almost all of every bishopric meeting is devoted to discussing people in the ward and we worry about people we haven't seen for a while. There are a dozen benign and loving reasons why he might have decided to drop in on you. Coming so late was probably not a good idea, I'll grant that. I'm curious: Did you ask him, doctorcoug, why they came so late, or did he apologize for being there at that hour?Last edited by LA Ute; 04-24-2010, 09:26 AM.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Did you use the tried and true "pretend to trip on something" technique as you walked up to greet the bishop at the door?Originally posted by doctorcoug View PostMaybe I'm just so bitter because we were getting ready to have sex and it didn't happen because of their visit.
I literally had to stash paraphernalia behind couch pillows as they walked in. I guess I shouldn't be so upset with the gesture. It was just VERY inconvenient."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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That was very very mean.Originally posted by KillerDog View PostSeems he got my text but thought he would have his wife make dinner and he would bring it by over my assurance that such a thing was unnecessary. I was in the process of cooking up a nice mess of red beans and rice with andouille (sp) sausage when he knocked on my door. I found the whole situation rude, pushy, irritating, frustrating and obnoxious. The Bishop asked if there was anything else he could do and I told him that I didn't need what he was doing so I wasn't sure what to say to get him to leave us alone. He took it the way it was meant and left.
Why would you find a 5-minute visit and dinner rude, pushy, irritating and obnoxious?
Now your bishop will think twice before he goes over to someone's home who really could use a hot meal and friendly encouragement. Would it have cost you so much to put up with it for 5 minutes of your life? Have some compassion for a man who volunteers 30 hours a week in unpaid service for 6 years.
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What he said.Originally posted by creekster View PostWhile I don't agree with his rhetoric, Goat pegged this discussion. What a bunch of whiners. Maybe this thread is a troll. I hope so. Because if you people are really such whiners I pity you.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I have never had a visit from the Bishop that I didn't appreciate. He can come over whenever he wants. It is too bad this conversation happened in the context of a Bishop because these guys really are deserving of every benefit of the doubt. With that said, on my list of very petty and not very important pet peeves is that there is a culture among some in the church of dropping by unannounced that is mildly, mildly irritating, though I have not experienced it in years. Perhaps the two things are getting convoluted here?Originally posted by LA Ute View PostWhat he said.
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Agreed. Maybe another issue is that we pretty much all know what our once-mullah thoughts about "less-actives" were. It sucks when you're doing your best and you still find yourself on the project list. Be honest. Sometimes service really can feel condescending.Originally posted by UtahDan View PostI have never had a visit from the Bishop that I didn't appreciate. He can come over whenever he wants. It is too bad this conversation happened in the context of a Bishop because these guys really are deserving of every benefit of the doubt. With that said, on my list of very petty and not very important pet peeves is that there is a culture among some in the church of dropping by unannounced that is mildly, mildly irritating, though I have not experienced it in years. Perhaps the two things are getting convoluted here?
I don't agree with directing anger at someone for a small gesture that was meant to be kind, but I do think that most of us understand the project mentality because (for better or for worse) it's a major part of our culture. Maybe those who have never found themselves on the receiving end of one of these projects have a harder time understanding the hurt feelings expressed in this thread.
Plus, people on CUF are too cool to say, "My feelings were hurt." They have to say, "I'm pissed," or, "I was about to have sex," or something like that. Not that I'm trying to put words in your mouth or anything doctorcoug. I don't have the slightest clue about you personally.
Best solution I know of is to stop caring what other people think about you. It's really a relief.
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I asked him not to bring dinner over and he admitted to knowing that I didn't want him to bring dinner over. He was aware that I considered his visit unnecessary and had asked him not to do it but he did it anyway. To me, that is the definition of rude, pushy, irritating and obnoxious.Originally posted by Katy Lied View PostThat was very very mean.
Why would you find a 5-minute visit and dinner rude, pushy, irritating and obnoxious?
Now your bishop will think twice before he goes over to someone's home who really could use a hot meal and friendly encouragement. Would it have cost you so much to put up with it for 5 minutes of your life? Have some compassion for a man who volunteers 30 hours a week in unpaid service for 6 years.
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