Some thoughts on the historicity of the BOM

[TripletDaddy]

Everyone saw that the first time you posted it.

[woot]

I remember being given an evolution packet at BYU, although I forget which class it was for. I remember wondering about the value and relevance of the statements provided.

Looking at it now, I find this quote pretty funny:

Our religion is not hostile to real science. That which is demonstrated, we accept with joy; but vain philosophy, human theory and mere speculations of men, we do not accept nor do we adopt anything contrary to divine revelation or to good common sense.

So you accept science, but if it follows the scientific method or disagrees with either Mormon doctrine or "good common sense" in any way, then it's not science.

In other words, if you redefine "science" to mean "whatever I already believe" then science is just great. That clears things up.

[Moliere]

I never received an evolution packet while at BYU and back then I even believed evolution was wrong

[Dwight Schr-ute]

I remember being given an evolution packet at BYU, although I forget which class it was for. I remember wondering about the value and relevance of the statements provided.

Looking at it now, I find this quote pretty funny:



So you accept science, but if it follows the scientific method or disagrees with either Mormon doctrine or "good common sense" in any way, then it's not science.

In other words, if you redefine "science" to mean "whatever I already believe" then science is just great. That clears things up.

I wonder what sort of p value is required for that sort of joy.

[hostile]

I wonder what sort of p value is required for that sort of joy.

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[Dwight Schr-ute]

I never received an evolution packet while at BYU and back then I even believed evolution was wrong

Your countenance revealed that you did not require the packet.

[Northwestcoug]

I got this packet at the beginning of bio 105. My professor gave a perfunctory introduction to it, making sure we knew there was a lot of wiggle room in the last couple of first presidency statements. I didn't give it a second thought, because I took him at his word.

Reading that first statement, I realize there is no wiggle room.

[Applejack]

Today in church we had a discussion on this very issue:

During the lesson on God-made-man-in-his-image, a girl in my primary class raised her hand and said "How can we be made in God's image if we evoluted [nice word choice] from Apes?"

Another girl chimed in, "We are very closely genetically related to Apes."

After a brief pause, another kid (not in my class) said "Who said we are related to Apes? Scientists? Psah."

The primary prez then continued with her lesson and moved on to why girls should only wear one earring. I'll bet she was wishing she had a pamphlet handy.

[Solon]

I have a cousin that graduated in university studies, whatever the hell that is. He could never decide on a major. He also never married. I guess he couldn't decide on a girl either.

The state of Utah requires all Utah public colleges to offer a "General Studies" degree to get those eternal students out the door - people with loads of credits but not enough to get through a major. It's full of people who are desperate to graduate for a variety of reasons, and failed teachers who made it all the way through the major but couldn't pass the praxis exams.

I used to work for "Interdisciplinary Studies," which everyone thought was "University Studies" or "General Studies." When they started asking me to teach in the General Studies program, I quit.

That you were attending this is perhaps the most interesting aspect of your post. Pick up a new AR?

LOL. I've gone semi-redneck, but not yet full-redneck.
I was looking for a target-holder that could withstand the high winds in my neck of the woods. I ended up getting a jumping target for $30.

[Jeff Lebowski]

LOL. I've gone semi-redneck, but not yet full-redneck.
I was looking for a target-holder that could withstand the high winds in my neck of the woods. I ended up getting a jumping target for $30.

Whoa. I want one of those.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I took Bio 100 at BYU from a part-time instructor who was non-LDS. It was kind of fun to watch her squirm when she was asked about evolution by students who didn't realize she wasn't LDS.

[Commando]

Today in church we had a discussion on this very issue:

During the lesson on God-made-man-in-his-image, a girl in my primary class raised her hand and said "How can we be made in God's image if we evoluted [nice word choice] from Apes?"

Another girl chimed in, "We are very closely genetically related to Apes."

After a brief pause, another kid (not in my class) said "Who said we are related to Apes? Scientists? Psah."

The primary prez then continued with her lesson and moved on to why girls should only wear one earring. I'll bet she was wishing she had a pamphlet handy.

Those pamphlets aren't handy, but Nibley has an essay about pre-Adamic man that should illuminate things for those little sunbeams.

[Solon]

Whoa. I want one of those.

Come on down. I've got a garage full of my dad's .223 ammo that he's hoarding for the End-of-Days, but doesn't dare let my mom find out. We could do some damage.

I'm so amazed at the Evolution Packet idea.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Decent summary of history of church vs evolution:

http://dialoguejournal.com/wp-conten..._V35N04_33.pdf

Where is that website where the nutjob argues that BYU has given in to Satan because they teach evolution?

[Jeff Lebowski]

BYU prof Steven Peck on why Mormons should embrace evolution:

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...even-peck.html

I am a Mormon. And an Ape. On my way to something wondrous.