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  • oxcoug
    Dolphins Rape Hipsters
    • Dec 2009
    • 5309

    #1

    Stupidly deleted post on CB re Unga, mission anecdote

    For anyone here who cares.....

    Because if it's not fit for CB it must be fit for CUF.
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    I served in a mission that had only been open for three years when I got there and the names and reputations of everyone who went through the mission in the first five years circulated pretty widely.

    There were only two elders who had been sent home in the history of the mission. One for hooking it up with a local girl. All sorts of salacious variations had taken shape around what actually happened, ranging from just some light makeout to getting busy upstairs in the branchhouse during Sacrament meeting.

    Whatever happened, more than five years after the fact the ten-month mark had taken on a name - that missionary's name. Let's say it was... 'Duncan' (it wasn't) and we called it "Duncan Day." If you made it to your 10 month mark it was 'Duncan Day.' Two months before the infamous 'Hump Day' every Elder in my mission had 'Duncan Day.'

    We all thought it was hilarious and it was just part of mission lore and never gave two thoughts to the actual person in question as no one in the mission still knew him. But this was his legacy. We made it so.

    Fast-forward three years. I'm sitting in the BYU apartment of a girl in my new ward with my roommate and old mission buddy. She's a nice girl and my buddy was going to be her home teacher. She finds out where we served our missions and lights up "oh my brother served there!"

    "Oh really?" we respond (at this point most people who had served in our mission either knew each other personally or through reputation) what's your last name? "Duncan" she responds.

    And we failed to mask our expressions as our mouths hung half open at the realization that this was the younger sister of the guy whose reputation we had kicked around all those years. And she noticed. She nodded and you said "you guys know about what happened with then." Um, yes. We did.

    What we didn't know is that Elder 'Duncan' had gone home and got it right. He had repented, been married in the Temple and was currently in the Elders Quorum presidency with a child. But to now well over a hundred missionaries who had passed through his mission all they knew about him was the infamous 'Duncan Day.' We booted his reputation all over the place and didn't much think about it.

    In the moment that I saw this girl's crestfallen expression at recognizing that we only knew her brother as the guy who got sent home for a transgression I felt a little ashamed that I'd been a happy perpetrator of the 'Duncan Day' legend and I resolved to be more conscientious about how I handled people's names and the reputations that hang from them.

    So the sort of relevant part......

    How much all of what has happened defines Harvey's legacy depends a lot on the fans. Of course it's unavoidable that this will be remembered as an unfortunate conclusion. But we can decide, as fans, to primarily focus on the Harvey Unga who slugged it out between the tackles for three long, hard-running years as our feature back and to assume the best about how he is moving forward with his personal life and resolve to focus our discussion on the good Harvey stuff.

    Just a thought on approaching a difficult episode.
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  • Jarid in Cedar
    CS Institutional Memory
    • Jun 2009
    • 13234

    #2
    Great post OxCoug. You need to hang here a little more.
    "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

    "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

    "I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."

    -Rick Majerus

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    • Jeff Lebowski
      Corporate lackey for Jesus
      • Nov 2008
      • 69561

      #3
      Are you kidding me? That was deleted? Why?
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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      • oxcoug
        Dolphins Rape Hipsters
        • Dec 2009
        • 5309

        #4
        I know amazing eh? Some petty power-tripping mod found some trivial technicality he didn't like.
        Ute-ī sunt fīmī differtī

        It can't all be wedding cake.

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        • oxcoug
          Dolphins Rape Hipsters
          • Dec 2009
          • 5309

          #5
          Thanks Jared - I do. It's getting tiresome dealing with the BYU HC office alumni who moderate CB.
          Ute-ī sunt fīmī differtī

          It can't all be wedding cake.

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          • PaloAltoCougar
            Semper infra dignitatem
            • Nov 2008
            • 16921

            #6
            I thought the post was very good, but the CB mods are on high alert when enforcing the rule that "mission experiences that portray missionaries in a bad light should be avoided."

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            • Surfah
              Where's Wallace?
              • Nov 2008
              • 33726

              #7
              Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
              Thanks Jared - I do. It's getting tiresome dealing with the BYU HC office alumni who moderate CB.
              Oxcoug, I too wish you posted more. And also, that's not a typo. He really spells his name Jarid.
              "Nobody listens to Turtle."
              -Turtle
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              • SoonerCoug
                Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                • Nov 2008
                • 4680

                #8
                Dear OxnardCoug,

                Please stay here. I think you're a crazy ultraconservative, but I'm convinced you don't belong on CB. You're too smart for that place.

                Sincerely,
                SoonerCoug
                That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

                http://twitter.com/SoonerCoug

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                • oxcoug
                  Dolphins Rape Hipsters
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 5309

                  #9
                  Oh silly me Jeff - must have been deleted for the word 'hump' - obviously I should know better.
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                  It can't all be wedding cake.

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                  • SoonerCoug
                    Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 4680

                    #10
                    Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                    Oh silly me Jeff - must have been deleted for the word 'hump' - obviously I should know better.
                    Today my wife and I drove by Wayne Coyne's house in Oklahoma City. (He's the lead singer of the Flaming Lips). He lives in a tiny house in a really old neighborhood in a somewhat bad part of town. Fascinating place. He sits outside and talks to strangers who walk by. We saw him talking to people outside today.

                    Long story short, I saw a sign that says "Speed Humps" on a street not too far from his house. I thought that was kind of funny. I always thought they were called bumps.
                    That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

                    http://twitter.com/SoonerCoug

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                    • oxcoug
                      Dolphins Rape Hipsters
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 5309

                      #11
                      Hah hah Sooner Coug - at your dinner table I'm the ultraconservative at 84nationalchamps dinner table I'm a Trotskyite backstabber who refuses to acknowledge Glenn Beck's supremacy and who libelously calls Sarah Palin a lightweight.

                      I guess it's all context.
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                      • SoonerCoug
                        Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 4680

                        #12
                        Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                        Hah hah Sooner Coug - at your dinner table I'm the ultraconservative at 84nationalchamps dinner table I'm a Trotskyite backstabber who refuses to acknowledge Glenn Beck's supremacy and who libelously calls Sarah Palin a lightweight.

                        I guess it's all context.
                        In any case, please stay. Don't go back. CB is evil. If Jefe suspends you, it's for your own good. I have grown to admire him for that.
                        That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

                        http://twitter.com/SoonerCoug

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                        • Fiyero
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 5266

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                          In any case, please stay. Don't go back. CB is evil. If Jefe suspends you, it's for your own good. I have grown to admire him for that.
                          You're nuts. When my suspension expires in 97.7 years, I look forward to the CB conversations about favorite M&M flavors.

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                          • SeattleUte
                            Faith crisis consultant
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 20837

                            #14
                            Sexaul morality has become the LDS Church's singular obsession. Just go to the "Foyer" section here. Even these progressive Mormons here are most interested in that aspect of their faith. It consumes everything, like chub taking up all the oxygen in a mountain lake till all the trout are dead. Gay marriage and porn blah blah blah.

                            Had the disgraced missionary gone on with his life in another community outside the LDS orbit no one would have cared about this part of his past. People's sex lives, especially decades ago, especially when they were teenagers, aren't a focus, aren't a cause of stigma certainly, certainly aren't an obsession. It might be an interesting anecdote that he got blackballed out of Mormonism for having sex on his mission, but no sane person would lose respect for him, especially considering it happened when he was 19 or 20. They would only lose respect for Mormonism. BIG DEAL. A 20 year old kid had sex before getting marriage. It's not very interesting to sane people; it's not a terrible thing to sane people (if the kids use a condom, that is).

                            Unga should get the hell out of Dodge and stay gone. God Speed Unga! Run!!
                            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                            --Jonathan Swift

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                            • SeattleUte
                              Faith crisis consultant
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 20837

                              #15
                              The really big life mistake Unga made was going to BYU instead of to Utah and playing for Whit. That's a personal tragedy for him, for all kinds of reasons, including that whatever happened between him and his girl he'd have played in the Spring game today. BYU is a bad place!
                              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                              --Jonathan Swift

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