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  • Sleeping in EQ
    Philosopher of Men
    • Nov 2008
    • 4188

    #1

    Healing Objects

    According to Wilford Woodruff, a man asked Joseph Smith to heal his children who were some distance away, and,

    The Prophet said he could no go; but, after pausing some time, he said he would send some one to heal them; and he turned to me and said: "You go with the man and heal his children." He took a red silk handkerchief out of his pocket and gave it to me, and told me to wipe their faces with the handkerchief when I administered to them, and they should be healed....I went with the man, and did as the Prophet commanded me, and the children were healed. I have posession of the handkerchief unto this day. (Woodruff, 1881, p. 65)
    Heber C. Kimball and Willard Richards used healing canes made from the boxes used to carry the bodies of Joseph and Hyrum to Nauvoo, and Richards also used to loan out a cloak that people could throw on their beds and be healed. (Journal of Discourses 4:294)

    Lorenzo Snow used handkerchiefs and Endowment aprons for healing (LeRoi C. Snow, 1942).

    Have you witnessed anything similar in our day?
    We all trust our own unorthodoxies.
  • Indy Coug
    Heartless Bastard
    • Dec 2008
    • 18747

    #2
    Does consecrated oil serve the same function?
    Everything in life is an approximation.

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    • Sleeping in EQ
      Philosopher of Men
      • Nov 2008
      • 4188

      #3
      Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
      Does consecrated oil serve the same function?
      I'm wondering about that too.
      We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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      • I.J. Reilly
        Nobody's Fool
        • Apr 2009
        • 2949

        #4
        Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
        According to Wilford Woodruff, a man asked Joseph Smith to heal his children who were some distance away, and,



        Heber C. Kimball and Willard Richards used healing canes made from the boxes used to carry the bodies of Joseph and Hyrum to Nauvoo, and Richards also used to loan out a cloak that people could throw on their beds and be healed. (Journal of Discourses 4:294)

        Lorenzo Snow used handkerchiefs and Endowment aprons for healing (LeRoi C. Snow, 1942).

        Have you witnessed anything similar in our day?
        Never seen anything like it (unless, of course, oil does the trick) but I'll take the opening to point out that the differences between the Church at Joseph's time and the modern church is great, and many modern members would be astounded and taken aback by the happenings in the earlier church.

        (Of course, this is often at least a tangential point with the issues you raise, SIEQ; I just thought I'd point it out in a more obvious manner.)

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        • creekster
          It is NOT a monkey!
          • Nov 2008
          • 22661

          #5
          Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
          Does consecrated oil serve the same function?
          The function being what? AN object through which healing power is bestowed or an object upon which the subject's faith can be fixed to effect a powerful result? Or something else?
          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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          • SloanHater
            Banned
            • Feb 2009
            • 1348

            #6
            Could these objects simply be placebos to increase the faith of the one healing/being healed?

            I've often thought that about consecrated oil.

            [Edit]I'm slow posting today and didn't catch creekster's post.. I'd agree with creekster's latter premise. I think it is easier for most to have faith in a tangible element than simply a prayer or blessing.
            Last edited by SloanHater; 03-18-2010, 09:27 AM.

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            • RobinFinderson
              Banned
              • Nov 2008
              • 10548

              #7
              Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
              Have you witnessed anything similar in our day?
              Late at night, on BET, there are these snake oil preachers who sell healing objects... different vials of holy water and other miracle objects, usually for $19.99, plus shipping.

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              • RC Vikings
                Known Heterosexual
                • Nov 2008
                • 8788

                #8
                Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                Lorenzo Snow used handkerchiefs and Endowment aprons for healing (LeRoi C. Snow, 1942).

                Have you witnessed anything similar in our day?
                I have heard of little blue pills helping the downtrodden.

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                • Solon
                  Lost in the flood
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 5747

                  #9
                  Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
                  I have heard of little blue pills helping the downtrodden.
                  The handkerchief thing comes from Acts 19.12. You can see Joseph Smith's handkerchief in the church history museum in downtown SLC.

                  It's a good example of sympathetic magic, where a representation of something replaces the original. Voodoo dolls are also sympathetic magic, as are many curse tablets.
                  "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
                  -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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                  • clackamascoug
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9709

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                    Does consecrated oil serve the same function?
                    Personally, I think consecrated oil facilitate's the conductivity between the fingertips and the crown of the head. Something like increasing the bandwidth connection.

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                    • RobinFinderson
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 10548

                      #11
                      Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
                      Personally, I think consecrated oil facilitate's the conductivity between the fingertips and the crown of the head. Something like increasing the bandwidth connection.
                      Kind of like wetting the leads for the electric chair?

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                      • Clark Addison
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10298

                        #12
                        In the NT, Jesus would sometimes do something like rub mud on someone's eyes to heal their blindness (I liked it best when he would use spit). I just always assumed that the handkerchief, mud, etc. was to introduce some sort of tactile stimulation to increase faith or provide physical feedback.

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                        • wuapinmon
                          Soul Plumber
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 30711

                          #13
                          It's like the Syrian who is told to wash in the Jordan River and he scoffs at first. Perhaps the healing thing is just a macguffin to distract the conscious and doubting mind from analyzing the power of the priesthood, which I imagine has no physical representation. Deus ex machina, literally, with healings.
                          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                          • Jarid in Cedar
                            CS Institutional Memory
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 13234

                            #14
                            Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                            Late at night, on BET, there are these snake oil preachers who sell healing objects... different vials of holy water and other miracle objects, usually for $19.99, plus shipping.
                            **Whiff***

                            Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                            Kind of like wetting the leads for the electric chair?
                            ***Whiff***

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                            • Donuthole
                              Official Outgayer
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 25237

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                              Have you witnessed anything similar in our day?
                              Michael Loyd's jumper healed an entire fan base today.
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