Will the Holy Ghost get a body?

[Rosebud]

Some Gnostics are as "christian" as Mormons - at least from a Nicene point-of-view.

There are also the "neo-gnostic" sects like the Bogomils or the Cathars. We'll have to chat sometime about the Cathars and their dualism - maybe there's Zoroastrian influence going on. The Cathars had some pretty interesting rituals along the lines of "mystery" religions (like the LDS temple). Plus, they were guardians of the Holy Grail

Just make sure you chat publicly where I can read it all, k?

[Green Lantern]

The Holy Ghost is Heavenly Mother. Therefore she must have a body.

Haven't you all heard?

(The Toscanos have published about this. I'm sure others have too.)

This is probably my favorite gospel speculation area, but it seems like no one ever wants to talk about it. I had read about it in a book (about Gnostic texts I think) so I wasn't all that surprised by it in the Toscanos Strangers in Paradox. They also posit that resurrected beings have the ability to lay down their bodies and take them up again and that this is Heavenly Mother's part to play in the Plan of Salvation. She lays down her body and becomes a body of Spirit during our existence here on Earth to comfort and care for her children.

[jay santos]

The Holy Ghost is Heavenly Mother. Therefore she must have a body.

Haven't you all heard?

(The Toscanos have published about this. I'm sure others have too.)

She moves in mysterious ways.

[jay santos]

This has something to do with trying to reconcile BY's Adam-God doctrine with contemporary doctrine, doesn't it? It's reminding me of another conversation we had. What are you thinking about? Come on.... out with it.

This is a good point. I think it's pretty clear the brethren are backing away from non-canonical doctrines that many LDS have assumed for a long time. KFD, etc. I think it wouldn't be bad to rethink all of the doctrines we take for granted, such as the Holy Ghost will someday receive a body. Is it clearly taught in the canon? Is it clearly taught in any current official church publications such as Gospel Principles and other manuals? Has it been clearly taught over the pulpit in General Conference by a prophet or apostle within the past 10 years? If not, then I think it's off the table as a "certain" doctrine.

[jay santos]

The explanation that perhaps Adam = HG was sufficient to let him keep his testimony...

What about the explanation that BY was off his rocker? That wouldn't allow him to retain his testimony?

[RobinFinderson]

Some of the comments in this thread, as well as my thoughts on Mormon cosmological theory, has got me thinking that Mormons could develop a killer heavy metal band that focuses on telling the stories of the restored gospel.

Imagine Jack Black singing about:

Spirit prison
Degrees of heaven
Paradise
Obeying the will of the Father
Men on missions to save the world
Like a lamb to the slaughter
Demons and devils
Lucifer
Wars in heaven
Sacrifice
etc.

The field is ripe, and ready for some mormon metal heads to write a killer rock opera.

[Green Lantern]

Some of the comments in this thread, as well as my thoughts on Mormon cosmological theory, has got me thinking that Mormons could develop a killer heavy metal band that focuses on telling the stories of the restored gospel.

Imagine Jack Black singing about:

Spirit prison
Degrees of heaven
Paradise
Obeying the will of the Father
Men on missions to save the world
Like a lamb to the slaughter
Demons and devils
Lucifer
Wars in heaven
Sacrifice
etc.

The field is ripe, and ready for some mormon metal heads to write a killer rock opera.

How about this?

[beefytee]

Some of the comments in this thread, as well as my thoughts on Mormon cosmological theory, has got me thinking that Mormons could develop a killer heavy metal band that focuses on telling the stories of the restored gospel.

Imagine Jack Black singing about:

Spirit prison
Degrees of heaven
Paradise
Obeying the will of the Father
Men on missions to save the world
Like a lamb to the slaughter
Demons and devils
Lucifer
Wars in heaven
Sacrifice
etc.

The field is ripe, and ready for some mormon metal heads to write a killer rock opera.

My BIL was in a rock band in college and most of his stuff was pretty heavy. He was approached about doing the primary songs in his styles for the movie "Single's Ward". He turned them down as it didn't seem appropriate.

After watching the movie, it seems they went with a style that was lighter and I personally think it turned out pretty well.

[RobinFinderson]

How about this?

You are missing the point! Sure, it may have been done OSMOND-style, but this content would be perfect for a heavy metal treatment. Starting with the war in heaven and working your way to when the planet earth will be an expansive sea of glass... this is epic stuff -- heavy metal epic.

[beefytee]

You are missing the point! Sure, it may have been done OSMOND-style, but this content would be perfect for a heavy metal treatment. Starting with the war in heaven and working your way to when the planet earth will be an expansive sea of glass... this is epic stuff -- heavy metal epic.

I always thought Afterglow sounded like a good name for a heavy metal band. Like they were radioactive or something.

[RobinFinderson]

I always thought Afterglow sounded like a good name for a heavy metal band. Like they were radioactive or something.

That, and it is also a term used to describe the color of one's skin and the light perspiration (or heavy, depending on one's health) after some hard-core bedroom escapades... I'm sure a heavy metal musician (even a Mormon one) could come up with a more poetic phrase for 'hard-core bedroom escapades.'

[Green Lantern]

You are missing the point! Sure, it may have been done OSMOND-style, but this content would be perfect for a heavy metal treatment. Starting with the war in heaven and working your way to when the planet earth will be an expansive sea of glass... this is epic stuff -- heavy metal epic.

Sigh. I guess you and I just have different ideas about what constitutes heavy metal. Have you not heard "Soldier of Love"? Those Osmonds are badasses!

[UtahDan]

Sigh. I guess you and I just have different ideas about what constitutes heavy metal. Have you not heard "Soldier of Love"? Those Osmonds are badasses!

Those hair styles are back too. Seriously.

[RobinFinderson]

Sigh. I guess you and I just have different ideas about what constitutes heavy metal. Have you not heard "Soldier of Love"? Those Osmonds are badasses!

I've never listened to Soldier of Love, so I had no idea that the Osmonds ventured into metal territory. But what we really need are some Mormon metal heads to pick up where the Osmonds left off... and they should be serious metal heads, with long hair and tattoos of the LDS prophets/temples/their polygamous wives/etc. inked all over their skinny, vein-covered torsos.

[Rosebud]

This is a good point. I think it's pretty clear the brethren are backing away from non-canonical doctrines that many LDS have assumed for a long time. KFD, etc. I think it wouldn't be bad to rethink all of the doctrines we take for granted, such as the Holy Ghost will someday receive a body. Is it clearly taught in the canon? Is it clearly taught in any current official church publications such as Gospel Principles and other manuals? Has it been clearly taught over the pulpit in General Conference by a prophet or apostle within the past 10 years? If not, then I think it's off the table as a "certain" doctrine.

If so, I think we're in for a rough transition. With information so easily accessible now, it's not as easy to expect people to accept only what is presented to them by current authority as certain truth. My generation and my parents' generation were counseled to pray for testimonies of immutable truths taught by prophets of God. Member desires to reconcile the irreconcilable in order to retain testimonies, then, are strong.

The decision to back away from what is irreconcilable may be an attempt to protect testimonies in an age of information. The problem is that this sort of change debunks the same philosophy that so many testimonies are based upon. How can testimonies dependent on the immutability of doctrine be retained when doctrine so obviously changes?