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  • BlueHair
    Boom Bitches!!!
    • Nov 2008
    • 2894

    #1

    Age of Earth

    Gotquestions.org has the answer:

    Question: "What is the age of the earth? How old is the earth?"

    Answer: Given the fact that, according to the Bible, Adam was created on the sixth day of our planet’s existence, we can determine a biblically-based, approximate age for the earth by looking at the chronological details of the human race. This assumes that the Genesis account is accurate, that the six days of creation were literal 24-hour periods, and that there were no ambiguous gaps in the chronology of Genesis.

    The genealogies listed in Genesis chapters 5 and 11 provide the age at which Adam and his descendants each fathered the next generation in a successive ancestral line from Adam to Abraham. By determining where Abraham fits into history chronologically and adding up the ages provided in Genesis 5 and 11, it becomes apparent that the Bible teaches the earth to be about 6000 years old, give or take a few hundred years.

    What about the billions of years accepted by most scientists today and taught in the vast majority of our academic institutions? This age is primarily derived from two dating techniques: radiometric dating and the geologic timescale. Scientists who advocate the younger age of about 6000 years insist that radiometric dating is flawed in that it is founded upon a series of faulty assumptions, while the geologic timescale is flawed in that it employs circular reasoning. Moreover, they point to the debunking of old-earth myths, like the popular misconception that it takes long periods of time for stratification, fossilization and the formation of diamonds, coal, oil, stalactites, stalagmites, etc, to occur. Finally, young-earth advocates present positive evidence for a young age for the earth in place of the old-earth evidences which they debunk. Young-earth scientists acknowledge that they are in the minority today but insist that their ranks will swell over time as more and more scientists reexamine the evidence and take a closer look at the currently accepted old-earth paradigm.

    Ultimately, the age of the earth cannot be proven. Whether 6000 years or billions of years, both viewpoints (and everything in between) rest on faith and assumptions. Those who hold to billions of years trust that methods such as radiometric dating are reliable and that nothing has occurred in history that may have disrupted the normal decay of radio-isotopes. Those who hold to 6000 years trust that the Bible is true and that other factors explain the “apparent” age of the earth, such as the global flood, or God’s creating the universe in a state that “appears” to give it a very long age. As an example, God created Adam and Eve as fully-grown adult human beings. If a doctor had examined Adam and Eve on the day of their creation, the doctor would have estimated their age at 20 years (or whatever age they appeared to be) when, in fact, Adam and Eve were less than one day old. Whatever the case, there is always good reason to trust the Word of God over the words of atheistic scientists with an evolutionary agenda.
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  • woot
    Resident Science Cop
    • Nov 2008
    • 5531

    #2
    Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
    Gotquestions.org has the answer:
    Needless to say, that quote is 100% bullshit.

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    • falafel
      loves to talk on things
      • Mar 2009
      • 37952

      #3
      Originally posted by woot View Post
      Needless to say, that quote is 100% bullshit.
      Oh, I don't know about that.

      Ultimately, the age of the earth cannot be proven.
      Probably only 99%.
      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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      • woot
        Resident Science Cop
        • Nov 2008
        • 5531

        #4
        Originally posted by falafel View Post
        Oh, I don't know about that.



        Probably only 99%.
        Heh good call. Since it's 4.54 +/- .045 billion years old, that is about 1% in either direction.

        I don't think that's what they're talking about though. They think science requires faith.

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        • John McClain
          Comfortably Numb
          • Dec 2009
          • 1012

          #5
          Bible literalists amuse me. I have to assume they have never read the entire Bible, because there is much in the Old Testament that is contextual, utilized as a teaching tool for the culture at the time. I have never believed that the earth is only 6000 years old and the Bible doesn't really support the 6000 year claim when viewed critically. Science and religion are not and have never been mutually exclusive, but in this case, the literalist movement is just flat out wrong IMHO.
          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
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          • statman
            Rabblerouser
            • Aug 2009
            • 2799

            #6
            Originally posted by John McClain View Post
            Bible literalists amuse me. I have to assume they have never read the entire Bible, because there is much in the Old Testament that is contextual, utilized as a teaching tool for the culture at the time. I have never believed that the earth is only 6000 years old and the Bible doesn't really support the 6000 year claim when viewed critically. Science and religion are not and have never been mutually exclusive, but in this case, the literalist movement is just flat out wrong IMHO.
            There's a state park in TX where there are dinosaur tracks in the sedimentary rocks along the Brazos river ( http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/f...nosaur_valley/ ). Just outside the park there's a "Creationist Museum." We stopped there with our kids once - after driving past the place a dozen or so times and making fun of it each time - the kids wanted to actually go see it.

            After about 10 minutes walking through, our 8 year old asked a question - "Are they serious about this stuff, or are they joking? Because if they're serious, they're STUPID..."

            Attaboy!

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            • scottie
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 5247

              #7
              Originally posted by John McClain View Post
              Bible literalists amuse me. I have to assume they have never read the entire Bible, because there is much in the Old Testament that is contextual, utilized as a teaching tool for the culture at the time. I have never believed that the earth is only 6000 years old and the Bible doesn't really support the 6000 year claim when viewed critically. Science and religion are not and have never been mutually exclusive, but in this case, the literalist movement is just flat out wrong IMHO.
              Do D&C literalists and/or Joseph Smith amuse you?:


              1 Q. What is the sea of glass spoken of by John, 4th chapter, and 6th verse of the Revelation?
              A. It is the earth, in its sanctified, immortal, and eternal state.
              2 Q. What are we to understand by the four beasts, spoken of in the same verse?
              A. They are figurative expressions, used by the Revelator, John, in describing heaven, the paradise of God, the happiness of man, and of beasts, and of creeping things, and of the fowls of the air; that which is spiritual being in the likeness of that which is temporal; and that which is temporal in the likeness of that which is spiritual; the spirit of man in the likeness of his person, as also the spirit of the beast, and every other creature which God has created.
              3 Q. Are the four beasts limited to individual beasts, or do they represent classes or orders?
              A. They are limited to four individual beasts, which were shown to John, to represent the glory of the classes of beings in their destined order or sphere of creation, in the enjoyment of their eternal felicity.
              4 Q. What are we to understand by the eyes and wings, which the beasts had?
              A. Their eyes are a representation of light and knowledge, that is, they are full of knowledge; and their wings are a representation of power, to move, to act, etc.
              5 Q. What are we to understand by the four and twenty elders, spoken of by John?
              A. We are to understand that these elders whom John saw, were elders who had been faithful in the work of the ministry and were dead; who belonged to the seven churches, and were then in the paradise of God.
              6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals?
              A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.
              7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed?
              A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.
              8 Q. What are we to understand by the four angels, spoken of in the 7th chapter and 1st verse of Revelation?
              A. We are to understand that they are four angels sent forth from God, to whom is given power over the four parts of the earth, to save life and to destroy; these are they who have the everlasting gospel to commit to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people; having power to shut up the heavens, to seal up unto life, or to cast down to the regions of darkness.
              9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse?
              A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.
              10 Q. What time are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished?
              A. They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years, or the opening of the sixth seal.
              11 Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe?
              A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.
              12 Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the trumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation?
              A. We are to understand that as God made the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and sanctified it, and also formed man out of the dust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God sanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and judge all things, and shall redeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the preparing of the way before the time of his coming.
              13 Q. When are the things to be accomplished, which are written in the 9th chapter of Revelation?
              A. They are to be accomplished after the opening of the seventh seal, before the coming of Christ.
              14 Q. What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation?
              A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things.
              15 Q. What is to be understood by the two witnesses, in the eleventh chapter of Revelation?
              A. They are two prophets that are to be raised up to the Jewish nation in the last days, at the time of the restoration, and to prophesy to the Jews after they are gathered and have built the city of Jerusalem in the land of their fathers.

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              • Fiyero
                Banned
                • Nov 2008
                • 5266

                #8
                There are trillions and trillions of solar systems out there, many of which have an earth capable of sustaining life, yet each is far enough from the other that intergalactic communication is impossible. These earths take time to prepare. Who is to say that the same God who performs the "day one" duties is the same God who performs the "day two" duties? When the day comes that you reach Godhood and are ready to send your children to an earth, I hope the other Gods have prepared one for you, unless you want to wait five billion years. Just keep that universe expanding baby, and we'll never run out of room.

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                • Jeff Lebowski
                  Corporate lackey for Jesus
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 69664

                  #9
                  Originally posted by scottie View Post
                  Do D&C literalists and/or Joseph Smith amuse you?:

                  http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/77
                  The same Joseph Smith who once remarked in a letter that he thought the earth was about 2.5 billion years old.
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                  • Viking
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 6470

                    #10
                    This is the problem with the cult of prophets fostered by the "Praise to the Man" approach.

                    Any time they say something historically inaccurate, or in the case of Brigham Young, stupid, they are open to criticism and doubt as to their status as true prophets.

                    IMHO it would be in the church's best interest to focus more on a mythical figure that doesn't speak, said little and is widely revered vs. trying to focus so much on latter day prophets who seem to be wrong as much as they are right and, ergo, they become lighting rods for criticism.

                    The Dude is correct. JS is on record at least several times stating the world is really old. He therefore must have not been a false prophet in this particular instance.

                    My jewish BIL said this about JS: "What a job. Get 10% of everything and sleep with their wives. He's a true American hero."

                    Praise to the man.

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                    • woot
                      Resident Science Cop
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 5531

                      #11
                      That's interesting about JS saying the earth is very old. I wonder what he was reading. The idea of an old earth had been around in the scientific community (but not universally accepted) for quite a long time before Darwin, but from what I've read it wasn't very prevalent among the laity.

                      I wonder what JS's motivation would have been, particularly given his emphasis on the Adam and Eve and whatnot. Was it later in life that he decided the earth might be old?

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                      • Viking
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 6470

                        #12
                        Originally posted by woot View Post
                        That's interesting about JS saying the earth is very old. I wonder what he was reading. The idea of an old earth had been around in the scientific community (but not universally accepted) for quite a long time before Darwin, but from what I've read it wasn't very prevalent among the laity.

                        I wonder what JS's motivation would have been, particularly given his emphasis on the Adam and Eve and whatnot. Was it later in life that he decided the earth might be old?
                        he may have influenced brother brigham's crazy thoughts about assembling the world from others.

                        i just realized i'm over 1,000 posts. what a collossal waste of time. i'm going to force myself to take a break from this place for a few months.

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                        • Fiyero
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 5266

                          #13
                          The age of the earth ≠ the day Adam & Eve came

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                          • woot
                            Resident Science Cop
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 5531

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Viking View Post
                            he may have influenced brother brigham's crazy thoughts about assembling the world from others.

                            i just realized i'm over 1,000 posts. what a collossal waste of time. i'm going to force myself to take a break from this place for a few months.
                            Heh I've been thinking the same thing, but it's fun in moderation and I'll be cut off whether I like it or not most of the next year as I spend several months in Africa. Good luck if that's what's necessary.

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                            • woot
                              Resident Science Cop
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 5531

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fiyero View Post
                              The age of the earth ≠ the day Adam & Eve came
                              Please expound. Do you mean the earth is actually 3 or 4 days older than Adam & Eve or do you subscribe to each "day" being very long? If so, do you accept that there was a time between the 3rd and 4th days when plants were just waiting around for the sun to be created so they could finally photosynthesize?

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