Women never say the prayers in General Conference?

[Harry Tic]

At Ricks I was 1st councilor in the SS and was in charge of the reports. I had the secretary come over to go over the rolls and we ended up rolling each other. College was a good time.

"Rolling." Heh. Haven't hear that word in years and years. Was that peculiar to the Mormon corridor? I remember the time in EQ at BYU when some guy from the Stake Presidency was brought in to call us to repentance for our deviant ways. He wanted to be hip to to the lingo I guess so he started going on and on about the dangers of "circling" with the opposite sex.

We honestly had no idea what he was talking about. We finally figured out he meant "rolling."

Sorry for the threadjack but it's RCViking's fault.

[Moliere]

The church should one up this group and give all GC prayer responsibilities to the women. That way, it would appear as if prayer were a task below men but the women couldn't complain because they got all that they wanted and more.

That's probably how women ended up bearing all the children

[UtahDan]

Good for them. I am supportive of their efforts. If I had a facebook account I would "like" that page.

I would be curious to know what the internal discussion was. I know they are all smarting from pantscapades. I think they must have been saying "we need to identify something that represents some progress that is almost impossible for anyone to argue against or be offended by. Something we can support with a recent official statement of some kind." (They have been using the SWK statement that women can pray in "any meeting" as support for this).

[YOhio]

I would be curious to know what the internal discussion was. I know they are all smarting from pantscapades. I think they must have been saying "we need to identify something that represents some progress that is almost impossible for anyone to argue against or be offended by. Something we can support with a recent official statement of some kind." (They have been using the SWK statement that women can pray in "any meeting" as support for this).

Are they smarting from the pants thing? It seemed like it was a success. I didn't really follow it that closely, but I viewed the 'wear pants to church' stuff similar to your description of the General Conference prayer movement. In my heart of hearts I cannot understand why anyone would be offended or care if a woman wore pants to church.

[Mrs. Funk]

Are they smarting from the pants thing? It seemed like it was a success. I didn't really follow it that closely, but I viewed the 'wear pants to church' stuff similar to your description of the General Conference prayer movement. In my heart of hearts I cannot understand why anyone would be offended or care if a woman wore pants to church.

I think the event was a success insofar as it got a lot of publicity and brought attention to Mormon feminism. Pants Day has been criticized for being vague in both purpose and scope. Yes, it was pants but it was also "awareness" for some and equality for others and yes, even priesthood for women for others.

In regards to "smarting," I think a lot of participants felt a bit battered after the maelstrom of Facebook activity the page provoked. I'm not saying people on both sides didn't contribute to the nastiness, but it's hard to miss that the most offensive comments seemed to be coming from the anti-pantsers.

The reasons for opposing the event are as divergent as the reasons for wearing pants. One guy, in the name of the Melchizedek priesthood, called pants-wearers to repentance for subversion. Lots of people told participants to "just leave if you hate the church so much." Sigh. The most extreme example, of course, is the profoundly idiotic comment that "all minority activists should be shot in the face . . . point blank." There's still random activity going on the Facebook pages surrounding the group. I had a couple family members tell me that my participation in Pants Day was cowardly and stupid and ridiculous. Fun times.

I like this Let Women Pray event because it's pretty darned clear in its scope and its purpose. And I can't think of a good reason for women to not pray in general conference.

[Goatnapper'96]

Are they smarting from the pants thing? It seemed like it was a success. I didn't really follow it that closely, but I viewed the 'wear pants to church' stuff similar to your description of the General Conference prayer movement. In my heart of hearts I cannot understand why anyone would be offended or care if a woman wore pants to church.

But if you are wired to take offense then it is likely you can find it.

[UtahDan]

But if you are wired to take offense then it is likely you can find it.

Edit: nevermind, I misunderstood.

[Portland Ute]

I haven't been paying close attention, but it seems we've been having sisters giving both the opening and closing prayers in sacrament meeting on occasion recently.

This has been going on for years in some wards.

I haven't read the Secret CHOI, so maybe someone is breaking the rules or maybe it hasn't been an official rule?

[YOhio]

Didn't know exactly where to put this, but seems to fit in this thread.

http://bycommonconsent.com/2013/01/19/40713/

[BigFatMeanie]

Didn't know exactly where to put this, but seems to fit in this thread.

http://bycommonconsent.com/2013/01/19/40713/

Young Women In Excellence is a big deal in my ward/stake. Much more elaborate than your average tired old Court of Honor. Not sure this article passes the smell test based on my experience but I suppose your mileage may vary.

[Uncle Ted]

Young Women In Excellence is a big deal in my ward/stake. Much more elaborate than your average tired old Court of Honor. Not sure this article passes the smell test based on my experience but I suppose your mileage may vary.

Yes, I would call BS on this if it wasn't for happening in Utah.

In my ward the names of the YW that achieved the award are on a plaque right next to the plaque of eagle scouts. When an YW gets their YW in excellence it is a big deal. In fact, eagle court of honors are left up to the parents. Some make a very big deal out of it, others not so much.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Young Women In Excellence is a big deal in my ward/stake. Much more elaborate than your average tired old Court of Honor. Not sure this article passes the smell test based on my experience but I suppose your mileage may vary.

Yes, I would call BS on this if it wasn't for happening in Utah.

In my ward the names of the YW that achieved the award are on a plaque right next to the plaque of eagle scouts. When an YW gets their YW in excellence it is a big deal. In fact, eagle court of honors are left up to the parents. Some make a very big deal out of it, others not so much.

My daughter earned hers last month. She was honored for a grand total of about 30 seconds. Long enough to walk up to te pulpit and shake the bishop's hand and get her medallion. I also noticed that they have changed the medallions: smaller and cheaper quality now.

You should see what kind of a fuss we make for our Eagle Scouts.

[Uncle Ted]

My daughter earned hers last month. She was honored for a grand total of about 30 seconds. Long enough to walk up to te pulpit and shake the bishop's hand and get her medallion. I also noticed that they have changed the medallions: smaller and cheaper quality now.

You should see what kind of a fuss we make for our Eagle Scouts.

Let's see... Utah. I am not surprised. Here eagle scouts and YM in excellence are recognized the same in sacrament. It is up to the parents if they want to have an eagle court of honor or something like a recognition open house for their daughter. Most parents do it. For their daughters the will display their achievements and items relating to their daughter's projects.

Not surprised about the smaller and cheaper quality as well. The church has its priorities in fulfilling the mission of the church and things are not getting any less expensive. The church doesn't spend a dime on the eagle award (at least in Texas). Ross Perot has been paying for those for some time.

[Eddie]

I'm in Utah.

Our ward pays for the eagle award and parents pins. I think sometimes they've purchased a flag for the kid as well. Sometimes that fact that there will be a Eagle court of honor is announced...in priesthood. The kid definitely isn't recognized in Sacrament Meeting - and isn't even invited to stand in priesthood, the date and time is just announced.

The parents/scout put together the court of honor. Usually this means that the parents put together a slide show of photos from the kids scouting career. They also invite whoever is going to be the MC and/or presenting the award (usually the Scoutmaster or Committee Chair). If the kid asks him to, the Bishop says something. If not, not.

If there are refreshments after, it is because the family put something together.

As for YW - they are recognized in Sacrament Meeting. But there isn't typically a separate meeting to recognize them. In our ward most host an open house and display the stuff they've earned and have refreshments.

I'm curious as to what people think about the role of Young Women in Excellence (or whatever it's called) that is held each year. In our ward, at least, that is the meeting when all of the YM display stuff from their projects throughout the year, the YW usually participate and speak about what they've learned, etc. The leaders and Bishop speaks. Family is invited. Treats afterward. Much better than your typical court of honor - but perhaps not the same degree of individual recognition as an eagle court.

This definitely has me thinking - simply because most of the YW recognition is done by the family (at least as it comes to holding an open house, etc.). And as we have some YW with family who may not take the initiative, it would be great to help the YW put together some sort of recognition open house.

[Bo Diddley]

Welcome to my ward. That is how we do it for the most part.

Over 20 years ago, that was how my wife and I were assigned to a couple.