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  • wuapinmon
    Soul Plumber
    • Dec 2008
    • 30711

    #1

    Could Muhammad Be a Prophet?

    Alma 29:8 says:

    For behold, the Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own nation and tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have; therefore we see that the Lord doth counsel in wisdom, according to that which is just and true.
    2 Nephi 29:12 says:

    For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.
    Doesn't this passage from Alma seem to indicate that Muhammad might've been working somehow with the Lord to bring the Arabs up out of idolatry and concupiscence into monotheism and sobriety? If we believe the First Presidency's statement from February 15, 1978 Regarding God's Love for All Mankind:

    Based upon ancient and modern revelation. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gladly teaches and declares the Christian doctrine that all men and women are brothers and sisters, not only by blood relationship from common mortal progenitors but as literal spirit children of an Eternal Father.

    The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God's light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.

    The Hebrew prophets prepared the way for the coming of Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah, who should provide salvation for all mankind who believe in the gospel.

    Consistent with these truths, we believe that God has given and will give to all peoples sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation, either in this life or in the life to come.

    We also declare that the gospel of Jesus Christ, restored to His Church in our day, provides the only way to a mortal life of happiness and a fullness of joy forever. For those who have not received this gospel, the opportunity will come to them in the life hereafter if not in this life.

    Our message therefore is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father.
    Couldn't that mean that Islam isn't the bogeyman that so many people make it out to be these days? I mean, from my perspective, it's modern exercise cannot be the same as what Muhammad intended, especially with the sectarianism that runs rampant through it; but, if we look at the central message, especially the profound change that that message was able to bring about in the Arabian peoples, I see a ton of wisdom that should be praised rather than picked apart or dismissed as "half-truth." I'm not saying that we should all read and pray over the Koran, because it's a damned muddled mess of contradictions and has zero sense of cohesion. I am saying that there are things about God, family, and righteousness that can be gleaned from it--and I do mean gleaned.

    Though the Arabs are currently mired in an unproductive epoch of their history, they have contributed much to the betterment of all our lives, even 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0. I'm going to try to not disregard them out-of-hand anymore.


    I still hate Mindful's avatar.
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    The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
  • Indy Coug
    Heartless Bastard
    • Dec 2008
    • 18747

    #2
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    • Fiyero
      Banned
      • Nov 2008
      • 5266

      #3
      Somewhere in one of the war chapters of the Book of Mormon, Alma or Helaman praised Captain Moroni and essentially said that surely he was one of the greatest of all. If that accolade were true (I mean if the praise wasn't merely personal adoration), it would indicate that some of God's greatest and noblest ones fill non-ecclesiastical roles, such as military leaders. Perhaps George Washington and Abe Lincoln were ranked in the pre-existence BCS's top ten? And my point is yes, just because Muhammad isn't LDS doesn't mean that he's not one of the elect of the elect.

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      • Commando
        Explosivo
        • Feb 2009
        • 20748

        #4
        Anything good is of God. Islam's current mess has nothing to do w. Muhammad any more than Joseph Smith is responsible for Warren Jeffs.
        "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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        • New Mexican Disaster
          Suomalainen
          • Nov 2008
          • 4549

          #5
          Originally posted by Commando View Post
          Anything good is of God. Islam's current mess has nothing to do w. Muhammad any more than Joseph Smith is responsible for Warren Jeffs.
          Well put.

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          • BYUTexan
            Junior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 52

            #6
            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
            Alma 29:8 says:



            2 Nephi 29:12 says:



            Doesn't this passage from Alma seem to indicate that Muhammad might've been working somehow with the Lord to bring the Arabs up out of idolatry and concupiscence into monotheism and sobriety? If we believe the First Presidency's statement from February 15, 1978 Regarding God's Love for All Mankind:



            Couldn't that mean that Islam isn't the bogeyman that so many people make it out to be these days? I mean, from my perspective, it's modern exercise cannot be the same as what Muhammad intended, especially with the sectarianism that runs rampant through it; but, if we look at the central message, especially the profound change that that message was able to bring about in the Arabian peoples, I see a ton of wisdom that should be praised rather than picked apart or dismissed as "half-truth." I'm not saying that we should all read and pray over the Koran, because it's a damned muddled mess of contradictions and has zero sense of cohesion. I am saying that there are things about God, family, and righteousness that can be gleaned from it--and I do mean gleaned.

            Though the Arabs are currently mired in an unproductive epoch of their history, they have contributed much to the betterment of all our lives, even 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0. I'm going to try to not disregard them out-of-hand anymore.


            I still hate Mindful's avatar.

            I believe Mohammed is the anti Christ spoken of in the Bible. His message denied the role of Christ and our nature of Gods children. He also murdered a lot of people and forced conversion. All the signs of Satan.

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            • Solon
              Lost in the flood
              • Nov 2008
              • 5747

              #7
              Originally posted by BYUTexan View Post
              I believe Mohammed is the anti Christ spoken of in the Bible. His message denied the role of Christ and our nature of Gods children. He also murdered a lot of people and forced conversion. All the signs of Satan.
              because Christians have never murdered people or forced conversions.
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              • Sleeping in EQ
                Philosopher of Men
                • Nov 2008
                • 4188

                #8
                Please forgive the broken record, but the First Presidency Statement of February 15, 1978 says:

                Based upon ancient and modern revelation. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gladly teaches and declares the Christian doctrine that all men and women are brothers and sisters, not only by blood relationship from common mortal progenitors but as literal spirit children of an Eternal Father.

                The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God's light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.

                The Hebrew prophets prepared the way for the coming of Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah, who should provide salvation for all mankind who believe in the gospel.

                Consistent with these truths, we believe that God has given and will give to all peoples sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation, either in this life or in the life to come.

                We also declare that the gospel of Jesus Christ, restored to His Church in our day, provides the only way to a mortal life of happiness and a fulness of joy forever. For those who have not received this gospel, the opportunity will come to them in the life hereafter if not in this life.

                Our message therefore is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father.

                The Book of Mormon also makes this clear:

                For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it (2 Nephi 29:12).

                The Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own nation and tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have (Alma 29:8).
                We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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                • BYUTexan
                  Junior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 52

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                  Please forgive the broken record, but the First Presidency Statement of February 15, 1978 says:

                  Based upon ancient and modern revelation. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gladly teaches and declares the Christian doctrine that all men and women are brothers and sisters, not only by blood relationship from common mortal progenitors but as literal spirit children of an Eternal Father.

                  The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God's light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.

                  The Hebrew prophets prepared the way for the coming of Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah, who should provide salvation for all mankind who believe in the gospel.

                  Consistent with these truths, we believe that God has given and will give to all peoples sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation, either in this life or in the life to come.

                  We also declare that the gospel of Jesus Christ, restored to His Church in our day, provides the only way to a mortal life of happiness and a fulness of joy forever. For those who have not received this gospel, the opportunity will come to them in the life hereafter if not in this life.

                  Our message therefore is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father.

                  The Book of Mormon also makes this clear:

                  For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it (2 Nephi 29:12).

                  The Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own nation and tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have (Alma 29:8).
                  I don't think the Lord would issue differing doctines and hold them both to be truth when they are in direct conflict of one another. Islam is foreign to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe a tool of Satan to blind men from recieving the gospel

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                  • wuapinmon
                    Soul Plumber
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 30711

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BYUTexan View Post
                    I don't think the Lord would issue differing doctines and hold them both to be truth when they are in direct conflict of one another. Islam is foreign to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe a tool of Satan to blind men from recieving the gospel
                    Well, the FP & Q12 have said otherwise. How do you account for the divide between what they've said and your personal belief?
                    "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                    The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                    • Sleeping in EQ
                      Philosopher of Men
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 4188

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BYUTexan View Post
                      I don't think the Lord would issue differing doctines and hold them both to be truth when they are in direct conflict of one another. Islam is foreign to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe a tool of Satan to blind men from recieving the gospel
                      Welcome to the cafeteria.
                      We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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                      • BYUTexan
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 52

                        #12
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        Well, the FP & Q12 have said otherwise. How do you account for the divide between what they've said and your personal belief?
                        Because much of the doctrine of Islam is in direct conflict with the Gospel. It denies the role of Jesus Christ as our Savior and son of God and Denies him to be begotten of God. It denies a resurrection. Its doctrine has contention in its DNA. Its doctrine preaches abuse, and mal treatment of women.

                        Muhammed murdered many people and an endorsement by the Church in my opinion is a slap to the face of those people murdered in the name of it. There is no way that the Lord would issue two contradicting doctrines or a false doctrine. Just doesn't make sense.

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                        • BYUTexan
                          Junior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 52

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BYUTexan View Post
                          Because much of the doctrine of Islam is in direct conflict with the Gospel. It denies the role of Jesus Christ as our Savior and son of God and Denies him to be begotten of God. It denies a resurrection. Its doctrine has contention in its DNA. Its doctrine preaches abuse, and mal treatment of women.

                          Muhammed murdered many people and an endorsement by the Church in my opinion is a slap to the face of those people murdered in the name of it. There is no way that the Lord would issue two contradicting doctrines or a false doctrine. Just doesn't make sense.
                          Islam also teaches that Muhammed was the last prophet and if that is so. Its doctrine holds that our leaders (Joseph Smith, Thomas Monson, etc) aren't prophets. They contradict each other. You can't believe both if you are a lover of the truth as one would be the true doctrine and the other would be counterfeit.

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                          • DU Ute
                            RIP CUF
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 7393

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BYUTexan View Post
                            Because much of the doctrine of Islam is in direct conflict with the Gospel. It denies the role of Jesus Christ as our Savior and son of God and Denies him to be begotten of God. It denies a resurrection. Its doctrine has contention in its DNA. Its doctrine preaches abuse, and mal treatment of women.

                            Muhammed murdered many people and an endorsement by the Church in my opinion is a slap to the face of those people murdered in the name of it. There is no way that the Lord would issue two contradicting doctrines or a false doctrine. Just doesn't make sense.
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                            • BYUTexan
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 52

                              #15
                              Also, lets not pretend that Mohammed was some innocent righteous man. The Lord would never force conversion to his gospel by the sword. Keep in mind the principle of free agency as taught by the Gospel.

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