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  • LA Ute
    Receiver of Memory
    • Nov 2008
    • 19512

    #1

    Elder Holland's Book of Mormon talk

    I have a feeling it will be discussed here a bit.

    Whatever else might be said about it, the talk is an outstanding and impassioned believer's testimony of the book's truthfulness.
    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden


    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery
  • byu71
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 22070

    #2
    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
    I have a feeling it will be discussed here a bit.

    Whatever else might be said about it, the talk is an oustanding and impassioned believer's testimony of the book's truthfulness.
    I would call it a "passioned" believer's testimony. Maybe I don't know the definition of passioned and impassioned.


    Edit: I looked up impassioned. As usual, LA knows the language better than I.
    Last edited by byu71; 10-04-2009, 01:44 PM.

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    • wuapinmon
      Soul Plumber
      • Dec 2008
      • 30711

      #3
      "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
      The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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      • Portland Ute
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 5647

        #4
        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
        I wouldn't say that SU has a non-literalist, believing view of the BOM.

        I'd say he has a cynical, mocking, non-believing view of the book.,

        I can't imagine Holland's talk will impress him much one way or another.

        The near yelling was cool, though. Not often you see any emotion in LDS meetings other than those expressed though "The Joker" style smiles or sobbing....

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        • LA Ute
          Receiver of Memory
          • Nov 2008
          • 19512

          #5
          Originally posted by byu71 View Post
          I would call it a "passioned" believer's testimony. Maybe I don't know the definition of passioned and impassioned.
          Well, let's just agree he was passionate!
          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
          ― W.H. Auden


          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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          • DrumNFeather
            Invisible Swordsman
            • Nov 2008
            • 8854

            #6
            I enjoyed the talk. Holland has really had excellent talks the last several conferences.
            "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

            Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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            • Surfah
              Where's Wallace?
              • Nov 2008
              • 33726

              #7
              Originally posted by DrumNFeather View Post
              I enjoyed the talk. Holland has really had excellent talks the last several conferences.
              I enjoyed it also.
              "Nobody listens to Turtle."
              -Turtle
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              • UtahDan
                *
                • Nov 2008
                • 14496

                #8
                Originally posted by DrumNFeather View Post
                I enjoyed the talk. Holland has really had excellent talks the last several conferences.
                He is one of my favorites as well.

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                • scottie
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 5247

                  #9
                  Does near yelling and passion make it more believable? If someone else believes in something, should that have any impact on what you believe?

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                  • ewth8tr
                    Reverend of Irreverence
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 2347

                    #10
                    Originally posted by scottie View Post
                    Does near yelling and passion make it more believable? If someone else believes in something, should that have any impact on what you believe?
                    YES IT DOES! SEE!
                    "I don't mind giving the church 10% of my earnings, but 50% of my weekend mornings? Not as long as DirecTV NFL Sunday Ticket is around." - Daniel Tosh

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                    • wuapinmon
                      Soul Plumber
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 30711

                      #11
                      I'd rather see some emotion and passion in GC than Quentin Cook staring, robot-eyed-at the teleprompter for 15 mins in his GA-monotone. At least Holland got our attention, and might make a few thousand people out there take serious stock of what they believe about the BofM. I can't even remember what Cook spoke about, and few will, even when it's assigned as a EQ 4th Sunday topic by my SP next year.
                      Last edited by wuapinmon; 10-04-2009, 02:39 PM. Reason: wrong cook
                      "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                      The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                      • Portland Ute
                        Junior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 5647

                        #12
                        Originally posted by scottie View Post
                        Does near yelling and passion make it more believable? If someone else believes in something, should that have any impact on what you believe?
                        No, scottie. I don't believe I see anyone here coming even close to suggesting such a thing.

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                        • DrumNFeather
                          Invisible Swordsman
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 8854

                          #13
                          Originally posted by scottie View Post
                          Does near yelling and passion make it more believable? If someone else believes in something, should that have any impact on what you believe?
                          I can certainly understand why his presentation might offend, but for me personally, the apostles are so mild mannered, so even tempered, that a little passion now an again is alright.
                          "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                          Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                          • All-American
                            Right, as Usual
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 15643

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Portland Ute View Post
                            No, scottie. I don't believe I see anyone here coming even close to suggesting such a thing.
                            And almost everybody else agrees with you, too.
                            τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                            • HuskyFreeNorthwest
                              Time to camp
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26082

                              #15
                              Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                              I'd rather see some emotion and passion in GC than Gene Cook staring, robot-eyed-at the teleprompter for 15 mins in his GA-monotone. At least Holland got our attention, and might make a few thousand people out there take serious stock of what they believe about the BofM. I can't even remember what Cook spoke about, and few will, even when it's assigned as a EQ 4th Sunday topic by my SP next year.
                              Amen and amen. This is why I hate GC. For every talk like Holland's there are 500 like Cook's, example whoever this guy talking now is.
                              Get confident, stupid
                              -landpoke

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